80g Shallow - clownfish spawed!

[Tamberav]

I have pretty much always had nanos and this is the biggest tank I have ever owned so there should be some learning with this one.

Progress has been slow and steady. Finally finished painting and tomorrow I pick up the sumps baffles.

 

[Humblefish]

Wow, that's a nice looking tank! I even like the pup that goes with it! Is that an Australian Shepherd?

 

[mggray87]

Wow, that's a nice looking tank! I even like the pup that goes with it! Is that an Australian Shepherd?

And does the shep have a white eye like alot of them have

 

[Tamberav]

Wow, that's a nice looking tank! I even like the pup that goes with it! Is that an Australian Shepherd?

His mother was half Australian Shepherd and half Border Collie and the dad was half German Shepard and half Rough Collie so he is 25 percent of each of those.

Pardon the mess in all my photos we just moved. Hence the new aquarium.

And does the shep have a white eye like alot of them have

White eye? His mother has one blue and one brown.

 

[Tamberav]

Got the sump done but it was a nightmare... I ran out of silicone...no big deal...ran to Lowe's only for my car not go start so I had to get a tow and it took forever for the guy to come... So finally got it moved at 11pm and I had went to Lowe's at 8:30pm. Hoping it's not a huge bill.. as I was planning to go to Reef Palooza.

I work the next two days so need to figure out something for that too. Wasn't my favorite way to spend my day off

 

[Humblefish]

@Tamberav When it rains it pours. But at least it looks like you got the baffles installed.

 

[Tamberav]

Should get her plumbed this week.

Would like to get 1 or 2 fish I could never put in a nano down the road after the tank settles. Not positive what fits comfortably.

Debating a copperband butterfly and a multibar angelfish with a mix of small nano fish I already own.

Let me know if I am off base here...seems like a 80g would fit these as long as I don't have potential aggressors like Tangs. I realize they are difficult feeders at first.

Current FTS of the 25g that I am upgrading.

I will also be plumbing my macro/softy tank into this 80g.

 

[Humblefish]

You can easily fit both a CBB and Multibar Angel in an 80 gal. However, both can be coral nippers especially acans and chalices.

 

[Tamberav]

You can easily fit both a CBB and Multibar Angel in an 80 gal. However, both can be coral nippers especially acans and chalices.

I don't like acans and chalices I have one of each I could part with. I suppose I will just have to remove the things they find tastey. I do have a lot of euphyllia but don't think those are particularly often targeted by coral nippers.

There isn't a lot of interesting totally reef safe fish.

 

[Humblefish]

I don't like acans and chalices I have one of each I could part with. I suppose I will just have to remove the things they find tastey. I do have a lot of euphyllia but don't think those are particularly often targeted by coral nippers.

There isn't a lot of interesting totally reef safe fish.

Pyramid Butterflies are more reef safe, as are Genicanthus spp angels. But I think you'd be fine with a CBB and Multibar so long as you don't mind moving some of the "furniture" out of their way sometimes. Both are challenging fish, however. Multibars just don't seem to ship well sometimes, and CBBs can be a PITA to get eating. Live blackworms, clams, oysters, Masstick are all options to try if he won't eat frozen straight away.

 

[mggray87]

This is the butterfly that I saw as a kid that made me want a saltwater tank

 

[Tamberav]

Pyramid Butterflies are more reef safe, as are Genicanthus spp angels. But I think you'd be fine with a CBB and Multibar so long as you don't mind moving some of the "furniture" out of their way sometimes. Both are challenging fish, however. Multibars just don't seem to ship well sometimes, and CBBs can be a PITA to get eating. Live blackworms, clams, oysters, Masstick are all options to try if he won't eat frozen straight away.

I had considered those both as well. I had a 75g for such a very short time that it almost doesn't count (ended up moving).. and I had a bellus angel...a tiny girl and she was a mean little lol beautiful though but harassed my gobies and firefish. May have just been unlucky. That was my main reason for not considering one again as I am nervous to add one with a CCB. Personality wise the multibar seemed to fit better than a potters angel which is another nice looking little fish but still finicky.

LFS here has live black worms and I have some masstick.

I condition my fish in a separate tank but don't treat unless I see something. The exception is flukes. I treat for those. They just seem everywhere at my LFS. I have never seen ich or such in my tank but that doesn't mean it's not present so I am not sure if this is a problem if I buy a fish off the venders here. Unsure if a fully treated fish is the right idea for a tank that is not fully QT. Then again I never had an issue with captive bred fish in my tanks.

 

[Tamberav]

This is the butterfly that I saw as a kid that made me want a saltwater tank View attachment 377

Gorgeous fish....butterflies and angels are just such striking fish...the names are even beautiful.

 

[Humblefish]

I condition my fish in a separate tank but don't treat unless I see something. The exception is flukes. I treat for those. They just seem everywhere at my LFS. I have never seen ich or such in my tank but that doesn't mean it's not present so I am not sure if this is a problem if I buy a fish off the venders here. Unsure if a fully treated fish is the right idea for a tank that is not fully QT. Then again I never had an issue with captive bred fish in my tanks.

If Ich is already in your aquarium then buying from a Vendor here means their fish might also get Ich once placed in your tank. However, Ich is a relatively mild parasite from my way of thinking and mostly manageable. Even flukes can be treated in a DT via Prazipro. The main reason to buy preQT fish (or QT yourself) is to keep velvet & brook out.

 

[Tamberav]

If Ich is already in your aquarium then buying from a Vendor here means their fish might also get Ich once placed in your tank. However, Ich is a relatively mild parasite from my way of thinking and mostly manageable. Even flukes can be treated in a DT via Prazipro. The main reason to buy preQT fish (or QT yourself) is to keep velvet & brook out.

Yeah the current fish I have never showed velvet or Brook symptoms...not even ich tbh but I never put them through copper or anything. I just watched them for a few months in a separate FOWLR. I lost two damsels to Brook in their hospital tank but they never touched my DT.

I have most every medication I would ever need for disease but most of them I have never used.

I guess I am unsure if buying a treated fish has any negative impact on them when putting it in my tank. Paul would probably say I am killing it's immunity but captive bred fish are born not exposed to pathogens and do fine. I am not sold the fish would struggle in my tank just because it isn't sterile.

 

[Humblefish]

I guess I am unsure if buying a treated fish has any negative impact on them when putting it in my tank. Paul would probably say I am killing it's immunity but captive bred fish are born not exposed to pathogens and do fine. I am not sold the fish would struggle in my tank just because it isn't sterile.

Captive bred fish won't have any acquired immunity to speak of. Just what they've been exposed to at the breeders and wholesale facilities. A wild caught fish that has been treated with copper, Chloroquine, etc, doesn't lose it's immunity just because it has been exposed to medications. It's immune system remembers whatever pathogens it was exposed to in the wild and also along the way (collectors, wholesaler facility, etc.) Now, the immune system is suppressed whilst exposed to medications, but that is only temporary. Once out of meds it's important to condition the fish in clean, non-medicated water and also feed probiotics, vitamins, nori, etc. to boost the immune system.

 

[Tamberav]

Makes sense... I guess either way works although having a multibar shipped is probably risky sounds like.

 

[Tamberav]

Stopped by the LFS today for more frozen fish food and saw they had a tiny earmuff wrasse. It was either dying or very stressed but had been there since the 1st. It was just sitting on the bottom near a single small flat rock that offered no hiding spaces.... tipping to its side then sitting back up. They said she was in a QT tank and not for sale (no meds, just a tank to separate her). I asked why there was no sand in the tank as they sleep in sand and the girl repeated herself saying "well it probably wasn't doing well in our sale tanks so it was moved down here". The thing is... many of the sale tanks don't have sand or hiding places either. I don't think she knew anything about the fish. No signs of disease but very unhappy looking.

I emailed the manager/owner and asked them to add sand and more hiding spots to the tank. Told them if they can get the wrasse to burrow and eat I would like to buy it and they probably don't want to lose an expensive wrasse. Not sure if she will make it though... I feel like this fish might be dying a slow death from just from stress and not disease which is unfortunate.

 

[Humblefish]

 

[Tamberav]

I emailed the owner and got a response. I told them to put it on hold so I can see its behavior when fed. If it eats well, I am just going to bring it home with me for my conditioning tank I have set up.

Hi Tana

Thanks for your concern! We actually often keep the different leopards in those lower tanks as we have the highest success rate with them. Without the sand we get them eating almost immediately. This one eats very well and when food is put in shows normal swimming behavior. They do often look bad without the sand as they can not burrow so instead they are just lying on the bottom like they would be if sand was present. (Typically I will see the leopards up and swimming about 2/3rds of the time when lights are on in these bare bottom tanks.) Problem with leopards also is moving, they don’t like change. Have found if they live the first 3 or 4 weeks the success rate is very good.

I know we have a few new people working here and your email reminded me to explain to them to monitor eating habits of the fish we keep in those lower tanks. Plus educate them on their behavior in bare bottom tanks. Besides leopards we do put other wrasses that burrow so they can be seen as well as fish that tend to get picked on when new.

Again, do appreciate your feedback!! Its easy to miss things when we have new fish coming in and out through out the week so “extra eyes” are helpful.



Brian

Yes it is for sale. Those are not quarantine tanks, just the first three tanks on that row (30 gal and 2 10’s) are isolated for quarantine. Very sorry for the false info! I do not work with the newer employees so I did tell Mark to explain our system better. There is so much to learn for this job, it’s a never ending learning curve.

Will be glad to hold it for you and would feed it when you are here first. At home sand is the best choice long term though if quarantining I have done it both ways.