Dino's during fluconazole/vibrant

mggray87

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On a completely different note. We decided to take a tooth brush to rock for gha bush. And weird thing it comes off like butter. No brushing needed. Lol just need to go over it. I wonder if waste away helped with that. But no pressure just tooth brush hits it and comes right off. Hmm
 

Mattman1977

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How’s the Dino fight coming? I know it’s super frustrating. I’ve done it a time or two now.
I have been keeping track of Dino outbreaks and have a few questions.
size of tank
how old is the tank
Type of rock and sand you started with, dry or live and source.
How many fish
Fuge or no fuge
Husbandry habits? Are you religious at doing then or were you slacking when you noticed the Dino.
Biodiversity. What kind of biodiversity have you added.

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Mattman1977

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On a completely different note. We decided to take a tooth brush to rock for gha bush. And weird thing it comes off like butter. No brushing needed. Lol just need to go over it. I wonder if waste away helped with that. But no pressure just tooth brush hits it and comes right off. Hmm
I’ve found a piece of air line, like for a freshwater tank, ziptied to a fiberglass reflector rod thrown into a bucket works great to suck up Dino and algae. I use the blue bulb from my gravel vacuum and catch a suction and you would be surprised how much algae comes right off, if it doesn’t pull off with just the suction I’ll stick my finger over the hose pull slightly. The hose is so small you can go for a long time and only pull out a few gals.
 

mggray87

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How’s the Dino fight coming? I know it’s super frustrating. I’ve done it a time or two now.
I have been keeping track of Dino outbreaks and have a few questions.
size of tank
how old is the tank
Type of rock and sand you started with, dry or live and source.
How many fish
Fuge or no fuge
Husbandry habits? Are you religious at doing then or were you slacking when you noticed the Dino.
Biodiversity. What kind of biodiversity have you added.

Matt
Waterbox 130.4 roughly 110-115 gallons total of water.
Tank is 8 months old since filled up.
Started with Marco dry rock and tropic edan reef flakes dry sand.
We have 11 fish
Husbandry I'd say is pretty good water changes every other week .
No fuge.

Since having Dino's. Ive added Florida keys live sand and live mud from the ocean floor.
 

Mattman1977

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Since having Dino's. Ive added Florida keys live sand and live mud from the ocean floor.
That’s definitely got some biodiversity in it. Do you have a fuge section in your sump? I was gonna suggest getting some gulf live rock and throwing a light over the top of it. The gulf live rock I got was covered in macro algae’s and sponges. Skip the chaeto until you need it. speaking of chaeto what’s your phosphate and nitrates running?

Sounds like our tanks are around the same age. I started my 24 gal jbj nano about 9 months ago. Went dry rock that was left over from one of my previous tanks and dry sand. Had a pretty bad uglies outbreak followed by a slight Dino outbreak. Quickly called Dan at gulf live rock and had him ship me 10lbs of sand and a couple good softball size rocks. Between that and the chaeto reactor, no place for a skimmer or I would use one, I haven’t seen dino since.

Well can’t say that I haven’t seen dino again a month ago I did a experiment and used reef roids, well in previous tanks I had used it in I have gotten dino outbreaks so wanted to see if it was my common factor and sure enough within a week I have those little snotty bubbles popping up. I used the old school method to slow them down and allow my tank to take care of them. 3 day blackout. Can’t remember who suggested that to me on larc a few years ago but it definitely slows them down enough to get them under control.
 

mggray87

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That’s definitely got some biodiversity in it. Do you have a fuge section in your sump? I was gonna suggest getting some gulf live rock and throwing a light over the top of it. The gulf live rock I got was covered in macro algae’s and sponges. Skip the chaeto until you need it. speaking of chaeto what’s your phosphate and nitrates running?

Sounds like our tanks are around the same age. I started my 24 gal jbj nano about 9 months ago. Went dry rock that was left over from one of my previous tanks and dry sand. Had a pretty bad uglies outbreak followed by a slight Dino outbreak. Quickly called Dan at gulf live rock and had him ship me 10lbs of sand and a couple good softball size rocks. Between that and the chaeto reactor, no place for a skimmer or I would use one, I haven’t seen dino since.

Well can’t say that I haven’t seen dino again a month ago I did a experiment and used reef roids, well in previous tanks I had used it in I have gotten dino outbreaks so wanted to see if it was my common factor and sure enough within a week I have those little snotty bubbles popping up. I used the old school method to slow them down and allow my tank to take care of them. 3 day blackout. Can’t remember who suggested that to me on larc a few years ago but it definitely slows them down enough to get them under control.
No fuge. Well I made a black box custom made slip in skimmer section of my sump for pods and rubble. But no actual fuge. I'm keeping po4 at .1 to help Dino's and no3 around 5-10

Dosing silicates. To outcompete Dino's.
 

Mattman1977

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My dad came over and saw my 90 gal tank when it was over ran with Dino, he started reefing back in the 1970’s and stopped around 2001, he asked me what it was cause in 30ish years of reefing he had never seen it. Every tank he had ever started he used ocean rock and sand never even crossed there mind to use dry rock.
 

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My dad came over and saw my 90 gal tank when it was over ran with Dino, he started reefing back in the 1970’s and stopped around 2001, he asked me what it was cause in 30ish years of reefing he had never seen it. Every tank he had ever started he used ocean rock and sand never even crossed there mind to use dry rock.
Yup - The more I think about it, I don't even remember seeing dinos until I first setup a tank using all dry rock.
 

mggray87

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My dad came over and saw my 90 gal tank when it was over ran with Dino, he started reefing back in the 1970’s and stopped around 2001, he asked me what it was cause in 30ish years of reefing he had never seen it. Every tank he had ever started he used ocean rock and sand never even crossed there mind to use dry rock.
Ya. If I was to do it all over again. I'd use all Florida rock but to late and rock scape is done. Cemented I like it and want to leave it. So hopefully this Florida sand and mud works. I got it from the site @Humblefish recommended
 

Mattman1977

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Ya. If I was to do it all over again. I'd use all Florida rock but to late and rock scape is done. Cemented I like it and want to leave it. So hopefully this Florida sand and mud works. I got it from the site @Humblefish recommended
I think that’s the downfall to live rock is it’s hard to make it structurally sound. I’ve found the putty is nasty once you stick it into the water and does little to hold the rocks together. It does make the skimmer go crazy though.

I’m planning my next build now, was going to pull the trigger and order the tank then this virus thing hit and the wife said hold up lol. Planning 72”x24”x30” with 2 or 3 rock structures and planning on getting the rocks from 2 or 3 different sources to maximize biodiversity. My idea is once my ideal aquascape is achieved to use fast growing encrusting corals like cyphastrea to fuse the rocks together. Then follow it up with monti caps to form more natural looking aquascape so this will be a long term project.
 

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Yup - The more I think about it, I don't even remember seeing dinos until I first setup a tank using all dry rock.
Yeah I see the whole germ thing and dry rock is germ free but no life except what you put in the tank and I’m sure it would take 5+ years to achieve the biodiversity that ocean rock would have.
 

mggray87

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So my diatoms are slowly burning out since I stopped dosing silicates. I'll post progressive pics today. Some white spots on sand is good news lol.

Now my po4 is 66ppb. So double what I want it. I don't dose any anymore since not doing bacteria and stuff. So either it's coming out rocks or maybe the GHA is dieing off and it's raising. Either way. I just turned off skimmer and dosed mb7 just to help eat some po4s.

Also no wc in long time so after testing and doing stuff with socks and losing a little salt. My salt was 1.023 so I turned off my ato to get it to evap to 1.026 and I'll then fill it back up to the line. I'm wondering if my chalice frags are showing some skeleton because of that or maybe lack of water changes so trace elements are gone no idea but I hope they bounce back and not continue to receed
 

mggray87

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Little update. Sand diatoms and brown is fading away slowly. I feel like the GHA algae is fading slowly. My nutrients used to sit at like 55ppb in morning. And then like 32ppb(.10) at night. Well over the last 4 days my alk consumption has went through the roof. For the longest time during this battle I'd only have my doser at like 6ml a day and sometimes my alk would rise with that. And sometimes it would drop. My tank roughly takes 8ml to raise all by 0.1. For an idea. My kh director is set to keep tank at 8.3ish. Well alk has been dropping so I'd add a few more ml a day. Still dropping. Right now I'm currently dosing 1.5ml 12 times a day. That's a huge increase in usage. I believe it's more Coraline coming in on rocks. Which I think is helping clean rocks of GHA. All level is 8.0 so even the increase of alk dosing it still hasn't raised it to 8.3 so I may have to go up to 2ml 12x a day and have the director adapt. No idea what this means but I'm hoping it's a sign of tank turning around.

Also this morning like I said po4 is usually like .16 in morning. It was 9ppb. Aka .035. Which is good but worries me so I dosed it up to .1 again. But that sudden drop in po4. Overall tank is looking better.
 

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@mggray87, this is so encouraging! Alk consumption always seems to drop significantly when dinos have taken hold, so this is good news! This along with the brown fading. Way to go on trying the silica dosing for your amphidinium dinos; glad it seems to have paid off!! Maybe you won't be dino man for much longer! 🤪
 

mggray87

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My pH is running high. Not sure if it's because tank is getting better. It was slowly rising but now since ALK usage is up. I'm dosing 2ml 12 times a day. Which isn't much at once. But like by end of my lighting. Lights out at 9pm. pH is currently reading on my probe 8.55.
 

mggray87

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GHA and bryopsis. But early in the day. Sand is whiter! But still have GHA on sand so it looks dirtier
 

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mggray87

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Glass is dirty as I still have 47ppb po4. Don't look at GHA. But check out the sand today!
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mggray87

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We just did our first 20g water change since fighting Dino's. Let's see what happens.
 
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