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Humblefish

Dr. Fish
interesting, thanks.

i can see why this is probably bad, especially for standard fish stores, for all to see. i specify standard ones because i'd say those ones get big shipments, put in their tanks, and sell over the long haul. they actually have some risk and have to take care of the fish. they're going to have losses and that has to be factored in.

since i'm in socal, there's a number of people/some stores that will basically go get you fish from the wholesale and hold it for you in the bag for you to pickup. the store near me does this, they carry very few fish actually in their store. and they charge liveaquaria like prices, which i think is ridiculous. if i'm buying from a lfs i want to see the fish swimming around normally, eating, etc. i guess you're putting your faith in them that they picked a healthy fish and hopefully it's eating

obviously everyone has to make money so i can see why random hobbyists might see this and then go oh my god my fish store is making $180 on a pintail wrasse, but it's interesting to me how much some stores might take advantage of something like this.
The next time you walk into a LFS and see their prices, consider the following: Rent, electricity, water, CAM fees, employees, insurance, etc. I would probably leave this hobby for good if only wholesalers were left standing. I miss the good ol' days of going around to various LFS and seeing the latest of what they got in. For me, it was part of the thrill of being in the hobby.

I avoid that wholesaler.
^^ YUP
 

mattzang

Active member
The next time you walk into a LFS and see their prices, consider the following: Rent, electricity, water, CAM fees, employees, insurance, etc. I would probably leave this hobby for good if only wholesalers were left standing. I miss the good ol' days of going around to various LFS and seeing the latest of what they got in. For me, it was part of the thrill of being in the hobby.



^^ YUP
see but what i'm saying is there are stores/people (there are people that have a wholesale license, but don't even have a store) that are undercutting all of those actual LFS

i agree that i like going to other fish stores where i walk in and see what they have for sale. i drive 30 miles to get to a store that has a nice selection and really takes care of their fish. this other store i'm referencing is 1/4 mile from where i work, but they're basically aqua locker in fish store form, so i avoid it. even if they offered fish at basically slightly above those flyer prices i still would't get fish from them
 

mattzang

Active member
what wholesale do you guys recommend? i don't even know where most of my LFS get fish from other than that one which goes to SDC
 

Humblefish

Dr. Fish
see but what i'm saying is there are stores/people (there are people that have a wholesale license, but don't even have a store) that are undercutting all of those actual LFS
Oh yeah, there are tons of garage vendors undercutting LFS. I was labeled as such until I finally convinced a few wholesalers I would be quarantining the fish before selling them, and would be selling them for MORE than your typical LFS.
 

Humblefish

Dr. Fish
what wholesale do you guys recommend? i don't even know where most of my LFS get fish from other than that one which goes to SDC
Consistent Sea, Carolina Aquatics, A&M Aquatics are my favorites. They are smaller than the big boys and don't have as wide a selection, but they also don't just flip the fish before selling them to retailers.
 

mattzang

Active member
i'll have to see if i can find an lfs or get my lfs to try out consistent sea

i doubt socal lfs will be interested in ordering from the other ones with the big ones just a 60 minute drive away. it's the same hurdle i've run into with lfs around here ordering from ORA/biota in that they aren't interested. i'm guessing the wholesale discount ORA gives them just isn't enough when they can go to SDC and get $4 clowns

is quality marine no bueno? i think that's the other main one lfs in socal go to

harrys marine life is apparently a wholesaler that is actually open to the public, any word on them?

i just want quality fish! lol
 

Thales

Member
The next time you walk into a LFS and see their prices, consider the following: Rent, electricity, water, CAM fees, employees, insurance, etc. I would probably leave this hobby for good if only wholesalers were left standing. I miss the good ol' days of going around to various LFS and seeing the latest of what they got in. For me, it was part of the thrill of being in the hobby.
That was the thrill for me too, but I think it should be part of the past. The supermarket approach we mostly use now a days makes things cheaper, but that is because of economy of scale. For wild caught animals, I would rather see an order to collect approach - you say what you want and someone goes and collects it for you, the ships it to you. So many fewer places for bad players to be bad, and better for the animals over sitting around in tanks hoping someone buys them, fewer random fills, and fewer "hey I guess I'll try that even though I know it won't make it". The thrill of discovery at the LFS was part of the magic, but I think there is better magic now a days. Oh, I am fine with supermarket style for cultured animals. I would like to see LFS be the the point of contact for this kind of thing.
 
Pretty much everything that is not captive bred should be ordered.
I can't count the number of times I've been in an LFS and seen Clown Tangs.
 

Thales

Member
Imagine LFS being mostly display with all kinds of animals displayed well so you can see what they really look like and what they really do. Then you order and a week or two later, boom, you have what you really want.
 

Thales

Member
And you would know that the people there know what they are talking about because you can see their work.
 

Humblefish

Dr. Fish
Imagine LFS being mostly display with all kinds of animals displayed well so you can see what they really look like and what they really do. Then you order and a week or two later, boom, you have what you really want.
I just don't see this working for a brick & mortar because so much of their sales are due to impulse buying (which admittedly is not necessarily a good thing.) And how many times do you order something from a wholesaler and not get it? Or it takes weeks/months to find a particular specimen??

Most people who are going to do what you are describing will do all their research online, and then hunt around for the fish/coral they want online.
 

Thales

Member
I just don't see this working for a brick & mortar because so much of their sales are due to impulse buying (which admittedly is not necessarily a good thing.) And how many times do you order something from a wholesaler and not get it? Or it takes weeks/months to find a particular specimen??
For sure, things will need to change. Instant gratification may have to be curbed, and things more thought out. I always thought brick and mortar should team up with an online vendor so they could have people order through their portal and make some cash without having to stock all items, but that never happened. I am interested in new ways for the B and M to survive and thrive and serve the hobby in useful ways.

Most people who are going to do what you are describing will do all their research online, and then hunt around for the fish/coral they want online.
Yeah, I don't know what to do about that except make everyone do it.
These ideas are mostly about making the hobby more sustainable and more acceptable to anti hobby people.
 

clsanchez77

20 Year Noob
It really bothers me how many aquarium vendors are borderline scam artists. This isn't the hobby I grew up in. Most aquarium related businesses were small, but there was a sense of pride/integrity (at least the ones I did business with.) IMO; recent unscrupulous behavior destabilizes the entire hobby, and the worst part is those who are in a position to help clean it up are actually complicit in it.
+1 on the first part

I disagree on the last part about being complicit. For example, you have done more than your fair share. Enough people have sounded the bells, but have been silenced or at least out voted by the influx of money this hobby has seen. I could certainly rant about my feelings in this hobby today as has @BluewaterLa...but no one cases what we think. R2R has become Reef Central with regards to the mass follows the demi-gods and the demi-gods make the rules.

I still remember several years ago when I joined and stated on LARC there did not seem to be any good national forums. Several people pointed me to R2R. I tried, but I stand by original statement. I'm good with just LARC and HF. Give me good company, good conversation and source of people to ask and answer questions. I have zero interest in trade shows, key speakers, forum sponsors. Perhaps I can grab some good Italian food with @PaulB and get him to sign my book one day :D. We are certainly past due for our local crawfish boil. But aside from that, this hobby has gone directions I really wish it never did. That cat is now out of the bag and we can't stop the influx of people wanting to throw money around for instant gratification. We can only be here if they wisen up and try not to say I told you so, or we can buy their **** on the getting out sale for pennies on the dollar.
 

clsanchez77

20 Year Noob
For sure, things will need to change. Instant gratification may have to be curbed, and things more thought out. I always thought brick and mortar should team up with an online vendor so they could have people order through their portal and make some cash without having to stock all items, but that never happened. I am interested in new ways for the B and M to survive and thrive and serve the hobby in useful ways.
Will never happen as the stores need that instant gratification to pay their bills and make their profit. Brick and mortar stores made less money over a long period because they built relationships. Today, its about the latest equipment, the hottest fish and the trendiest coral frag. Oh, that last fish died, well, check this new one out.

Sadly, I see this hobby going the way for the freshwater hobby. Really sad.
 

Humblefish

Dr. Fish
We are certainly past due for our local crawfish boil.
We're making some changes to LARC (501c) which should give us "play money" again for crawfish/shrimp boils, BBQs, etc. And I'll be moving to Ruston in a few months, so maybe we can get some events going in both the north & south parts of the state. :D
 

Paul B

Well-known member
Bobby. Ruston! Seriusely!! Whats a Ruston? You need to get up to New York where we have real restaurants. and other things. Some place where more than 7 people have heard of.

Where you can collect water in the back of your house and there are 4 Lfs's for each 17 families. Where Supermodels are as common as Ich at Petco. :cool:
 

Humblefish

Dr. Fish
Bobby. Ruston! Seriusely!! Whats a Ruston? You need to get up to New York where we have real restaurants. and other things. Some place where more than 7 people have heard of.

Where you can collect water in the back of your house and there are 4 Lfs's for each 17 families. Where Supermodels are as common as Ich at Petco. :cool:
It's only for 4-6 months while my parent's new house is being built. My sister is letting me setup some tanks inside her house for H2O2 experimentation, so no downtime for me! :p But rest assured, either before or after we're coming up to New York to visit you and the mafia owned Italian restaurants.:eek:
 
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