Hybrid TTM to treat all parasites!

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I agree and also use RODI for everything. I even rinse my carbon in it. I have pretty crappy tap water and 150gpd RODI system so I’m constantly making it.
 

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I will also say I've only tested H2O2 using RODI water. I have no idea how it might react/interact with toxins/metals found in tap water.
I believe degradation in concentration would be the biggest issue. If you apply hydrogen peroxide to “used” water from the previous QT for the H2O2 bath at least some portion of it will go towards breaking down whatever organic waste is in the water. That said, it would be hard to quantify.

Whether we’re talking about tap water, sewage treatment or Environmental remediation H2O2 has many uses including odor control, organic and microbial removal, dechlorinater, and neutralization of hydrocarbons. I used to inject the stuff into the ground to clean up leaking oil and gasoline tanks.
 

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The real question is, at what concentration does hydrogen peroxide destroy the tomont stage. Now where can I get some fresh ich and velvet tomonts. The other challenge would be getting your hands on 35 or 50% peroxide. It’s regulated I believe.
 

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The real question is, at what concentration does hydrogen peroxide destroy the tomont stage. Now where can I get some fresh ich and velvet tomonts. The other challenge would be getting your hands on 35 or 50% peroxide. It’s regulated I believe.
I don't believe H2O2 is capable of eradicating the tomont stage. At least not at a concentration safe enough to treat fish. I believe only the trophont and free swimming stage can be successfully targeted.
 

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I dosed another prazi treatment before trying to pull the fish out (stress ugh). The angel twitched and shook its head a good amount after the dose. I haven't seen this before in other fish I treated.

Irritation from the med perhaps? Lots of flukes?
 

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I dosed another prazi treatment before trying to pull the fish out (stress ugh). The angel twitched and shook its head a good amount after the dose. I haven't seen this before in other fish I treated.

Irritation from the med perhaps? Lots of flukes?
Very likely flukes in the gills. Prazi causes flukes to spasm before dropping off. This uncomfortable sensation will cause fish to twitch, scratch, etc.
 

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1st bath and transfer of 6 PJ cardinals and one Midas Blenny this am. Bath went well, but will keep the heater in next time as I lost 2-3 degrees in temp over the 30 minutes. Fish seemed ok with the bath and the big glass jar. I ended up using the net to get them out of the jar. It was that or pour out slowly as possible into the colander. I don’t like the abrupt stop when they hit the colander so I went the net route . Still had to pour our water and use the colander method as the blenny was impossible to get with the curved bottom of the jar. All fish seem fine and dandy in the fresh QT.
 

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The whole crew went through the process like champs. They even had 3 150PPM H2O2 baths as I am a special kind of stupid and did the second bath after 3 days instead of 6 days. So I did a final bath today as they transfer over to the observation tank where I will start to raise the SG from 1.017 to 1.0265 for their final destination. I always run my SG down low when doing the TTM as a lower SG requires less energy from the fish to maintain their osmotic balance.
 

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sooooo if i use the H202 TTM on then all fish to QT WITH mollies this would be a best practice? then continue to watch for a few weeks after? i have 5 pairs of clown about to go into QT and make sure all is good before adding them to my breeding ststem :) i guess i could also add a few mollies to my breeding system now that i think about it, they can have their own safe section. Odds they can live out their lives in the breeding system?
 

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sooooo if i use the H202 TTM on then all fish to QT WITH mollies this would be a best practice? then continue to watch for a few weeks after? i have 5 pairs of clown about to go into QT and make sure all is good before adding them to my breeding ststem :) i guess i could also add a few mollies to my breeding system now that i think about it, they can have their own safe section. Odds they can live out their lives in the breeding system?
I would perform H2O2 TTM WITHOUT mollies, but add them during the observation period afterwards. The reason is you don't want the mollies exposed to Ich, velvet, etc. even briefly during TTM. You want them nice & clean (with no built-up immunity to marine pathogens) during the observation period.
 

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Sorry i didnt type that out as i should have lol. What i ment to say was add the mollies to the nice clean QT tank (for observation) only after the TTM. would you do any other treatments along with it/or after it? Seems crazy to think that the H202 could take care of all the big issues haha, almost too simple!
 

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Sorry i didnt type that out as i should have lol. What i ment to say was add the mollies to the nice clean QT tank (for observation) only after the TTM. would you do any other treatments along with it/or after it? Seems crazy to think that the H202 could take care of all the big issues haha, almost too simple!
If you are performing TTM with H2O2 that should take care of most issues. Sort of like when dosing Prazipro with TTM.

The one thing I would still watch out for is white stringy poo. That could mean internal parasites or intestinal worms: https://humble.fish/community/index.php?threads/internal-issues.9/
 

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will do!! thank you so much!!!!!
I converted black mollies to saltwater a few months ago. I treated everyone that went through Hybrid TTM with AP Gencure and focus for internal issues. There’s a good write up from Humble linked in the beginning of this thread. If you haven’t done TTM before, make sure you have a few ammonia badges. I kept Prime in hand and proactively dosed on day two of each transfer.
 

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actually, the mollies are living in the DT and mama just gave birth to about 15 fry. About half of them became lunch and the other half are in the sump for safe keeping. A couple are seeking refuge in the live rock.
 

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I converted black mollies to saltwater a few months ago. I treated everyone that went through Hybrid TTM with AP Gencure and focus for internal issues. There’s a good write up from Humble linked in the beginning of this thread. If you haven’t done TTM before, make sure you have a few ammonia badges. I kept Prime in hand and proactively dosed on day two of each transfer.
It's also a good idea to treat mollies with food soaked General Cure (or Fenbendazole) before using them as test fish. (I do it during the SW conversion period.)

They are very prone to tapeworms, and saltwater doesn't kill these since they live in the intestines.
 

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Yes, I treated the mollies with Gen cure during the conversion period. If I remember correctly I slowly converted them over the course of about a week.
 
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