Hybrid TTM to treat all parasites!

ascheff

New member
Recommended dosage for the 30 min H2O2 bath is now 150 ppm. Dosing instructions have been updated in the OP.
Thanks for your continued experiments and contributions. I notice this concentration is double what it was before. Is this mostly because this higher concentration has proven to be safe, or because the lower concentration has proven to be less effective?

I have grown pretty confident with the lower dose, successfully doing the hybrid TTM on a Magma Fairy Wrasse, 3x Randall's Assessors, a Timor Wrasse and my "most sensitive" to date, a Severnsi Pencil Wrasse. I always do daily transfers for TTM, and for the pencil wrasse I actually dosed H2O2 before every transfer, daily, without issues.

The reason for my post is that I now just started TTM on a Potter's Wrasse, which due to their known sensitivity I'm quite nervous about the TTM, let alone H2O2 at the higher dose for the first time. This is the first time in years they have been imported to my country, so I probably have just one shot at this.

Any experience with this specific species, at either dose?

I have opted for a layer of playsand in the transfer container this time, of which I have two batches so that I can wash and dry at high heat in the oven between transfers. Any concerns dosing H2O2 with the sand in the container?
 

Humblefish

Dr. Fish
Thanks for your continued experiments and contributions. I notice this concentration is double what it was before. Is this mostly because this higher concentration has proven to be safe, or because the lower concentration has proven to be less effective?
I've tested enough fish @ 150 ppm now that I consider it to be a safe dosage. I do not know (yet) whether there is a difference in effectiveness, 75 vs. 150 ppm.

The reason for my post is that I now just started TTM on a Potter's Wrasse, which due to their known sensitivity I'm quite nervous about the TTM, let alone H2O2 at the higher dose for the first time. This is the first time in years they have been imported to my country, so I probably have just one shot at this.

Any experience with this specific species, at either dose?
I've never treated a Potter's Wrasse with H2O2. They always come in really skinny and don't last long for me. Sometimes they are infected with internal flagellates, other times I think the wholesaler just could never get the specimen to eat.

I have opted for a layer of playsand in the transfer container this time, of which I have two batches so that I can wash and dry at high heat in the oven between transfers. Any concerns dosing H2O2 with the sand in the container?
I don't foresee any issues dosing H2O2 in the presence of sand.
 

ascheff

New member
Thank you. I will wait with H2O2 until day four, then dose at 75ppm. Hopefully I can get her eating by then. Based on how the fish reacts I may dose daily going forward, as with the pencil wrasse, and/or increase the concentration to 150ppm. I will report back.

I've never treated a Potter's Wrasse with H2O2. They always come in really skinny and don't last long for me. Sometimes they are infected with internal flagellates, other times I think the wholesaler just could never get the specimen to eat.
Any experience with H2O2 on another Macropharyngodon species?

I am lucky that she arrived in a decent condition, but am yet to get her eating. It's only day two and I'm shaking a ball of chaeto from my display refugium in the transfer container before adding her daily, while I attempt frozen. Hopefully this is enough to sustain her through the process, which I'll cut short at 10 days.

This is really testing my resolve. I have to keep convincing myself I cannot risk the rest of my fishes for one, no matter how badly I want her 🙈
 

Humblefish

Dr. Fish
Another question.... could you SAFELY do a double TTM? Do round one wait a day or two and start it all over again?
1. Transfers need to occur every 72 hours OR less, NOT more
2. The total number of days to pass should be 12 OR more, NOT less
3. A minimum of four transfers is required, with more required if doing transfers more frequent than every 72 hours

Taken from here: http://www.tanktransfermethod.com/node/1

You can always do earlier/more frequent transfers, provided any subsequent transfers a) Occur every 72 hours OR less b) The total number of days to pass should be 12 OR more, NOT less

If utilizing Hybrid TTM ensure H2O2 is dosed for 30 minutes at the tail end of two transfers, 6 days apart. So, there will always be a 72 hour transfer in-between with no H2O2, and the "H2O2 transfers" should be 72 hour transfers as well. Does that make sense?
 

bken1313

Member
@Humblefish - I picked up a small yellow tang and small mandarin on Saterday. They both went from the bag into 150 ppm H2O2 for 30 minutes. Both fish have been eating fine. Today I came home from work to find black spots, that I believe is black ich on the tang. The plan was to do a second peroxide dip tomorrow. What is my course of action here? This is my first experience with black ich. Also, Is the tang developing HLLE?
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Mkart

Member
My yellow tang had them pretty bad and 3 doses of prazipro cleared it up. Much easier than I initially thought.
 

bken1313

Member
I’ve counted about 10 spots. I’m thinking I should stay the course with Hybrid TTM, do a PraziPro bath tomorrow at the next transfer and continue on with TTM. OR do another 150 ppm bath tomorrow and NOT treat with Prazi.
 

bken1313

Member
4pm tomorrow is the next transfer. Couldn’t I dose now, then dose the new tank tomorrow? Maintaining the 1tsp per 20 gallon concentration for 5-7 days.
 
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