Hybrid TTM to treat all parasites!

Humblefish

Dr. Fish
4pm tomorrow is the next transfer. Couldn’t I dose now, then dose the new tank tomorrow? Maintaining the 1tsp per 20 gallon concentration for 5-7 days.
Yes, dose now and then have it predosed In the new tank tomorrow. If you need to do a H2O2 bath, don't mix it with prazi. Do the H2O2 bath in a glass jar in-between transfers.
 

ascheff

New member
Thank you. I will wait with H2O2 until day four, then dose at 75ppm. Hopefully I can get her eating by then. Based on how the fish reacts I may dose daily going forward, as with the pencil wrasse, and/or increase the concentration to 150ppm. I will report back.
Report back, as promised.

It is now a week since the treatment ended, so I'm comfortable to confirm that it was successful. The Potter's is eating frozen food enthusiastically and is very active and engaging.

My dosages were 75ppm every day for 30mins before daily transfer, starting on day 4, except day 5 and 10 which I did 150ppm. The last transfer was on day 10.

From my observations she showed no discomfort and started eating frozen food around day 6.
 

bken1313

Member
Seems like a ton of extra work and added rush Not criticizing, I couldn’t imagine leap frogging 3 or 4 setups. How many setups do you have and how do sterilize them with such short turnaround? I’ve transferred on day 2 because I knew I wouldn’t be around on day 3, but then back to 3 days on the next transfer.

I do two baths now at 150ppm. One right out of the bag and the next right before the second transfer on day 6. Interestingly, my yellow tang broke out with black inch AFTER the initial bath. I’m on day 5 of prazi And everything seems to be going well.
 

ascheff

New member
Seems like a ton of extra work and added rush Not criticizing, I couldn’t imagine leap frogging 3 or 4 setups. How many setups do you have and how do sterilize them with such short turnaround? I’ve transferred on day 2 because I knew I wouldn’t be around on day 3, but then back to 3 days on the next transfer.

I do two baths now at 150ppm. One right out of the bag and the next right before the second transfer on day 6. Interestingly, my yellow tang broke out with black inch AFTER the initial bath. I’m on day 5 of prazi And everything seems to be going well.
Containers are left to dry for 24 hours, which is sufficient for sterilizing, so I just need 1 extra set. A setup is really just a plastic container and some PVC fittings. I use a new airstone and airline every day. Time wise it takes 15 minutes a day at most.

It does allow me a lot of room for error, and actually less stress. Water quality is not a concern, as I can feed heavily 30 mins before a transfer, but no food goes in in between transfers, and the fish doesn't produce waste for longer than 24 hours before the water gets replaced. And if something unexpected happens - need to work late or get stuck in traffic - I can safely skip a day. If you however miss your 72 hour window if something happens on the 3rd day, you have to start from day 0 again. It's fine if you can plan for it like in your case, but sometimes life happens unexpectedly.

It sounds like a lot of work, but its just for 14 days (usually, was just 10 with the Potter's this time). Granted, it might not work for everyone, but since going this route for the past 2.5 years I'm a lot more at ease during the process and the fishes don't seem to mind the extra transfers.
 

Humblefish

Dr. Fish
FWIW; I've used the TTM schedule bellow to successfully clear Velvet:

Day 1 - fish in tank
Day 2 - 1st transfer at 36 hours
Day 4 - 2nd transfer at 36 hours
Day 5 - 3rd transfer at 36 hours
Day 7 - 4th transfer at 36 hours
Day 10 - 5th transfer at 71 hours
Day 13 - 6th transfer at 71 hours

No H2O2 baths required. However, I suspect H2O2 also eliminates brook, uronema, flukes which the above would not.
 

mattzang

Active member
has anyone had any bad reactions with h2o2 baths yet? from what i've seen the fish don't seem to mind them at all. my orangeback fairy wrasse was kinda pouting hanging on the bottom, but that just seems like standard stressed wrasse behavior
 

bken1313

Member
I’ve successfully completed H/TTM on 2 pajama cardinals, 1 coris wrasse, 1 kole tang, and I’m wrapping up a yellow tang and spotted mandarin on Thursday. The latter two will get some extra time in observation due to post H2O2 black ich symptoms.
 

ascheff

New member
has anyone had any bad reactions with h2o2 baths yet? from what i've seen the fish don't seem to mind them at all. my orangeback fairy wrasse was kinda pouting hanging on the bottom, but that just seems like standard stressed wrasse behavior
I've successfully done H2O2 baths on:
Cirrhilabrus shutmani
Assessor randalli (x3)
Halichoeres timorensis
Pseudojuloides severnsi
Macropharyngodon geoffroy

None showed any reaction during the bath at all.

I did lose the Magma wrasse, but only around 2 weeks after, which I suspect was the unfortunately still too common "Phillipine sickness", doing great one day, then slips back and dead two or three days later.
 

Jessican

Well-known member
Hi HumbleFish,

Do you think TTM (without H2O2) can remove velvet?
FWIW; I've used the TTM schedule bellow to successfully clear Velvet:

Day 1 - fish in tank
Day 2 - 1st transfer at 36 hours
Day 4 - 2nd transfer at 36 hours
Day 5 - 3rd transfer at 36 hours
Day 7 - 4th transfer at 36 hours
Day 10 - 5th transfer at 71 hours
Day 13 - 6th transfer at 71 hours

No H2O2 baths required. However, I suspect H2O2 also eliminates brook, uronema, flukes which the above would not.
This is Humble’s TTM protocol for velvet without peroxide.
 

tanthaitrung

New member
FWIW; I've used the TTM schedule bellow to successfully clear Velvet:

Day 1 - fish in tank
Day 2 - 1st transfer at 36 hours
Day 4 - 2nd transfer at 36 hours
Day 5 - 3rd transfer at 36 hours
Day 7 - 4th transfer at 36 hours
Day 10 - 5th transfer at 71 hours
Day 13 - 6th transfer at 71 hours

No H2O2 baths required. However, I suspect H2O2 also eliminates brook, uronema, flukes which the above would not.
Why don’t you transfer at 71 hours x 4?
 

Jessican

Well-known member
Why don’t you transfer at 71 hours x 4?
It’s because velvet’s lifecycle completes much faster than ich’s, and the whole point of TTM is to outrun the parasite by moving the fish after the parasite has dropped off to encyst and before the cyst releases new free swimmers. 71 hours is too long between transfers for velvet. @Humblefish posted somewhere about the lifecycle and how he settled on 36 hours between transfers, but I can’t find it now. I’m sure he’ll give more detail in the morning.
 

tanthaitrung

New member
It’s because velvet’s lifecycle completes much faster than ich’s, and the whole point of TTM is to outrun the parasite by moving the fish after the parasite has dropped off to encyst and before the cyst releases new free swimmers. 71 hours is too long between transfers for velvet. @Humblefish posted somewhere about the lifecycle and how he settled on 36 hours between transfers, but I can’t find it now. I’m sure he’ll give more detail in the morning.
Thanks so much Jessican
 

Humblefish

Dr. Fish
Assuming worst case scenario, and velvet trophonts stop dropping off a fish immediately after going into a tank, you have around 48 hours until the tomonts begin releasing free swimmers (that reinfect the fish). So, a 36 hour transfer moves the fish away from the threat before this can happen. However, velvet trophonts can also remain on a fish for as long as 96 hours so that is why you have to do more than one transfer @ 36 hours.

The "standard" 72 hour transfer (or 71 hours for good measure) can resume only near the tail end, once the threat of velvet is gone and you are just concerned about the possibility of Ich (which can remain on the fish for a longer duration - 7 days).

Below is a TTM schedule which will eliminate both Ich & velvet:

Day 1 - fish in tank
Day 2 - 1st transfer at 36 hours
Day 4 - 2nd transfer at 36 hours
Day 5 - 3rd transfer at 36 hours
Day 7 - 4th transfer at 36 hours
Day 10 - 5th transfer at 71 hours
Day 13 - 6th transfer at 71 hours

^^ No chemicals (such as H2O2) required
 

Jessican

Well-known member
Assuming worst case scenario, and velvet trophonts stop dropping off a fish immediately after going into a tank, you have around 48 hours until the tomonts begin releasing free swimmers (that reinfect the fish). So, a 36 hour transfer moves the fish away from the threat before this can happen. However, velvet trophonts can also remain on a fish for as long as 96 hours so that is why you have to do more than one transfer @ 36 hours.

The "standard" 72 hour transfer (or 71 hours for good measure) can resume only near the tail end, once the threat of velvet is gone and you are just concerned about the possibility of Ich (which can remain on the fish for a longer duration - 7 days).

Below is a TTM schedule which will eliminate both Ich & velvet:

Day 1 - fish in tank
Day 2 - 1st transfer at 36 hours
Day 4 - 2nd transfer at 36 hours
Day 5 - 3rd transfer at 36 hours
Day 7 - 4th transfer at 36 hours
Day 10 - 5th transfer at 71 hours
Day 13 - 6th transfer at 71 hours

^^ No chemicals (such as H2O2) required
@Humblefish would you be willing to add this to the main TTM posting (https://humble.fish/community/index.php?threads/tank-transfer-method.26/) to make it easy to find for future reference?
 
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