Hybrid TTM to treat all parasites!

bken1313

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Ambient room light is sufficient for TTM. No need to intentionally keep them in the dark. I feed enough each day to ensure the fish is getting sufficient nutrition, but not so much that I cause a spike in ammonia. However, I do use prime at the 24 hour mark to keep the ammonia in check for day 2 and 3. It was an immediate game changer for my success rate. I feed more heavily an hour or so before each transfer to insure the fish were full prior to the stress of the transfer.
 

bken1313

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Thanks that is helpful. Any worries about overdosing with prime?
I believe the bottle addresses overdosing. Just be sure to follow the dosing instructions on the bottle and you should be fine. I think I was dosing like 0.65 ml in 8 gallons at the 24 hr mark.
 

Dfrost

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I'm actually doing this now since reading.
Day 7 is this saturday.
PBT and two small purples.
Have had zero negitive effects.
All three came in "looking clean" and healthy (Nyaquatic) so I can not say it has eliminated anything. I can say, I have not seen ANY behavioral nor physical symptoms of anything.
 

Kups

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Put my puffer and royal gramma through h2o2 bath. The royal gramma wasn't fazed at all but the puffer started to bang into the sides of the bowl towards the end and freaked out when I transferred him to tank 2. Both seem fine now though.
 

kput

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No, 36 hours. Following this TTM schedule should clear both Ich & velvet:

Day 1 - fish in tank
Day 2 - 1st transfer at 36 hours
Day 4 - 2nd transfer at 36 hours
Day 5 - 3rd transfer at 36 hours
Day 7 - 4th transfer at 36 hours
Day 10 - 5th transfer at 71 hours
Day 13 - 6th transfer at 71 hours

Sorry if I'm missing something obvious, but am I missing something on this schedule, versus the one posted at the beggining of this thread? (Transfers day 1, 4, 7, 10, and 13)
Also, after day 13, should I wait an additional 72 hours before moving into the DT? Why are transfers listed at 36 hours over 71?
 

Humblefish

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Sorry if I'm missing something obvious, but am I missing something on this schedule, versus the one posted at the beggining of this thread? (Transfers day 1, 4, 7, 10, and 13)
Also, after day 13, should I wait an additional 72 hours before moving into the DT? Why are transfers listed at 36 hours over 71?
Two different methods of TTM.

The one discussed at the beginning of this thread follows the regular TTM schedule (every 72 hours), but 3% hydrogen peroxide is dosed 6 days apart to eliminate velvet and possibly other pathogens.

The TTM schedule you quoted above is a non-chemical (No H2O2) solution to treating both Ich & velvet.
 

Humblefish

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So, I guess there are now 3 "versions" of TTM:
  1. Regular TTM (eliminates Ich): https://humble.fish/community/index.php?threads/tank-transfer-method.26/
  2. Hybrid TTM with H2O2 (eliminates Ich, velvet, maybe more): https://humble.fish/community/index.php?threads/hybrid-ttm-to-treat-all-parasites.87/
  3. Tank Transfer Method For Velvet:

    Below is a TTM schedule which will eliminate both Ich & velvet:

    Day 1 - fish in tank
    Day 2 - 1st transfer at 36 hours
    Day 4 - 2nd transfer at 36 hours
    Day 5 - 3rd transfer at 36 hours
    Day 7 - 4th transfer at 36 hours
    Day 10 - 5th transfer at 71 hours
    Day 13 - 6th transfer at 71 hours

    ^^ No chemicals (such as H2O2) required.

    Basis: Assuming worst case scenario, and velvet trophonts stop dropping off a fish immediately after going into a tank, you have around 48 hours until the tomonts begin releasing free swimmers (that reinfect the fish). So, a 36 hour transfer moves the fish away from the threat before this can happen. However, velvet trophonts can also remain on a fish for as long as 96 hours so that is why you have to do more than one transfer @ 36 hours.

    The "standard" 72 hour transfer (or 71 hours for good measure) can resume only near the tail end, once the threat of velvet is gone and you are just concerned about the possibility of Ich (which can remain on the fish for a longer duration - 7 days).

    The above TTM schedule was once just a theory of mine, but has now been successfully tested multiple times! :)
 

drstardust

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So what about a 4th version (because, you know, why the hell not): "velvet hybrid TTM"? Extra layer of protection against velvet, plus possible treatment of other things with H2O2

Also, the mere fact that a version of TTM by itself can rid velvet makes things hopeful in the arena of possible strains of velvet that are resistant to copper and other meds.
 

Jessican

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The only problem is we aren't 100% sure H2O2 is safe to use on all species of fish.
To be fair, neither is copper or CP. 🤷‍♀️ We just have to figure out a list of what fish don’t handle it well. So far, the only fish I’ve had react poorly is a bluestreak cleaner wrasse.
 

drstardust

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No, but someone reported two wrasses died shortly after the H2O2 bath. :eek:
OK, but you've personally not encountered problems with H2O2 baths, correct?
fwiw, neither have I, and I've probably put 20 fish through it at 150ppm. No wrasses, to be fair, but one anthias and it seemed to do fine.
 
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