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Humblefish

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I had a quick question. After treating for internal parasites via dosing the food would you also do a two week dose of general cure to the quarantine tank water for any external parasites? Or will food dosing help cover both? Many thanks!
In most cases, food soaking medications only treats internal issues while dosing the water column covers external. So, I would dose GC (or Prazipro) to treat for external worms such as Flukes.

There are some exceptions, however. Sometimes food soaking antibiotics is enough to overcome an external bacterial infection if enough of the medication builds up in the fish's system. Sometimes dosing General Cure, Metro or Prazi will treat internal parasites/worms IF the fish drinks enough of the medicated water and absorbs enough of the medication through their skin. Lots of ifs, so the success rate for this is few & far between.
 

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@Humblefish Should I be concerned about feeding food with GC + Focus in a reef tank with clams ?
I recall reading somewhere (couldn't find it..)it might not be good for shrimp and snails to eat food with GC... not sure if it will have any issues with my clams.

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@Humblefish Should I be concerned about feeding food with GC + Focus in a reef tank with clams ?
I recall reading somewhere (couldn't find it..)it might not be good for shrimp and snails to eat food with GC... not sure if it will have any issues with my clams.

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I’ve fed GC-laced food in my tanks many times and saw no harm to clams or any other inverts.
 
@Humblefish and @Jessican I could please please use some help.

I have a clown that was not eating, breathing rapidly and hiding under a rock. I was able to catch him after he had not eaten for 5 days. His fins look great, body looks great, no external issues noted.

I did a freshwater dip and there were no flukes.

I did see some white stringy poop, so I’m guessing internal parasites.

He is in a quarantine now with General cure, but didn’t eat this morning. He does seem more active and is swimming around the bucket with a lot more energy today.

I have never force fed a fish and not sure If I should to get some food soaked in General cure and focus into him. Or whether I should dose the bucket with some epsom salt.

this guy is my little baby that burst his swim bladder and was able to heal and swim again like a normal clown. He is a major fighter so I just don’t understand why he won’t eat...
 

Humblefish

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@smsreef There is a video below which shows how to tube feed a fish:


However, you could also start dosing Metroplex 48 hours after GC to see if he will drink enough of the medicated water to prove useful. Metro is also readily absorbable by the fish's skin.
 
@smsreef There is a video below which shows how to tube feed a fish:


However, you could also start dosing Metroplex 48 hours after GC to see if he will drink enough of the medicated water to prove useful. Metro is also readily absorbable by the fish's skin.
Thanks @Humblefish
I ordered some metro to use after the second dose of General cure. Dosing second dose of GC later today. Then 48 hours later will do water change and use metro. Is this correct?

I went to LFS and got some black worms last night and he ate one so made a mix of GC + focus + black worms and fish frenzy. He ate some!!!

Do you think epsom salt would be an ok option, or would you just go the medication route for now?
If I add the 1 tbsp epsom salt to the bucket, do I just leave it like that or do I need to change the water after a certain number of hours or days?

I also have fenbendazole coming. Wondering if I should use that in the food instead of General Cure. All my fish went through QT initially and were treated with GC soaked food for 2+ weeks. Maybe whatever is bugging him is some resistant microbe, But maybe something came in with frozen food or the clams I feed...

Last question, should I feed medicated food to my other fish that have no symptoms and normal feces? They are in a 60 gallon tank with a bunch of inverts, some corals and macroalgae.

Thank you so much for this amazing site and the help you provide!!!
 

Humblefish

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Dosing second dose of GC later today. Then 48 hours later will do water change and use metro. Is this correct?
Yes, but the second round of GC should only be applied ~ 6 days after the initial dosage.

Do you think epsom salt would be an ok option, or would you just go the medication route for now?
If I add the 1 tbsp epsom salt to the bucket, do I just leave it like that or do I need to change the water after a certain number of hours or days?
There's no harm in trying Epsom salt, and the dosage is 1 tablespoon per 5 gallons. You can just leave it in. Mix well before dosing.

Last question, should I feed medicated food to my other fish that have no symptoms and normal feces?
Yes, I would begin feeding your DT General Cure laced food using the recipe below:
  • 1 scoop (~ 1/8 teaspoon) of medication (General Cure or Fenbendazole + Metroplex)
  • 1-2 scoops Seachem Focus (makes it reef safe + binds the medication)
  • 1 Tbsp food (preferably pellets or frozen food)
  • A pinch of Epsom salt to help expel dead worms/parasites
  • A few drops of saltwater or fish vitamins
  • Stir until a medicated food slurry has been achieved.
  • Feed after soaking for 30 mins.
  • Refrigerate or freeze any leftovers for future use.
  • You can feed this mix 1-2 times per day. Not recommend to exceed 2 feedings per day with medicated food.
  • Feed daily for 2-3 weeks, or until poop returns to a solid brown or green color (no white).
 
Thank you so much @Humblefish !

I added the Epsom salt to QT bucket and feeding the GC mix recipe above to this guy in QT and my other fish in my display.

My little guy seems all better. I’ll continue on with your plan of 2nd dose of GC, metro, and GC food mix for 2 weeks.
He turned back into a little puppy dog and any time he sees me, comes up to the surface and begs for food. I just adore this fish:love:
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Humblefish

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Can this protocol also be applied for freshwater fish?
Food soaking General Cure? It says for use with freshwater or saltwater, but I'm not as knowledgeable about all the different internal worms/parasites that freshwater fish typically carry.
 

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Have a yellow Tang with a bloated belly.

I dosed general cure and put methylene blue in the tank. I'm not sure if it worms, gas, or a bladder infection.

I am going to transfer to another tank shortly.

I might do a Cipro bath.

Any benefit to gently massaging the bloat? He doesn't care if I touch him right now.
 

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Humblefish

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Have a yellow Tang with a bloated belly.

I dosed general cure and put methylene blue in the tank. I'm not sure if it worms, gas, or a bladder infection.

I am going to transfer to another tank shortly.

I might do a Cipro bath.

Any benefit to gently massaging the bloat? He doesn't care if I touch him right now.
Will he eat? If so, Metronidazole combined with Neomycin Sulfate in a medicated fish food slurry can be a very good full spectrum internal/gut infection treatment, treating both aerobic and anaerobic bacteria.
 

Quicklynx

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I don't have any neomycin.

I just have fenbendazole, metro, prazi and the combo in general cure

Would anything else work? I figure the Cipro bath into a new tank would be a good start.
 

Humblefish

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I don't have any neomycin.

I just have fenbendazole, metro, prazi and the combo in general cure

Would anything else work? I figure the Cipro bath into a new tank would be a good start.
A Cipro bath would be a good start, but I would dose an antibiotic into the QT itself so the fish can drink more of the medicated water: Antibiotics
 

Quicklynx

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It’s a good start. You can actually food soak Furan-2, which is what I would do in this particular situation.

Hopefully he eats. He didn't eat yesterday that I noticed. I did do a water change and looks like the bloat is down a little actually.

Tail is still up but the belly at least looks better.
 

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Tail ended up going up on the Blue Hippo in the same tank as well.

I went ahead and did a 45 minute Cipro/MB Bath on the Yellow Tang, Blue Hippo Tang, Golden Domino Damsel, Cloudy Damsel, and now a Sailfin Tang along for the ride because the Desjardini was going after him.

They are now in Seachem Metroplex, Seachem Kanaplex, and API Furan-2.

I fed Mysis and Emerald mixed with Vitamins, Epsom Salt, Seachem Metroplex and Seachem Neoplex

I don't think the Yellow or Blue Hippo really ate any, but they're definitely stressed. The Blue Hippo coming out of the Cipro bath had orange all over it. The Salinity/Temp from the old tank, to the bath, to the new tank is spot on identical.

Every other fish ate no problems.

In case there is some other issue I have started to add a little Copper Power as well and will work my way up. Reason being I'm not sure if some Velvet got ahold here as well, and the Hybrid TTM method won't work when I need to dose the antibiotics for a week.

Aeration is going to be at it's max and I'll be monitoring non stop. I setup a camera on them to watch because I know I could be playing with fire in the oxygen displacement.

I have two powerheads and an air stone running.

BTW, I did H202 in the old tank prior to the Cipro bath. The tank had Methylene Blue, Furan-2 and General Cure in it and I had no issues.

I divided the tank because I didn't want to risk the Yellow and Sailfin going at it. I don't know how he's doing it but the Domino is finding a gap somewhere and chilling on both sides here and there.
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Humblefish

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@Humblefish Any best practices for loading nori with meds? I would assume soaking it in dissolved GC would work but I can not say I have tried.
I've never found a good way of loading nori with medications. Soaking it in dissolved GC seems to work somewhat, but the nori can only absorb so much of it. The rest just rinses off in the water.
 
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