JCole's Glass Box of Acro's(Soon to be 1000 gallons)

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JCole

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Let me know when you need a local hand! I'd like to check it out in person sometime.

Hit me up! You're welcome to stop by anytime. The current tank isn't anything to look at with death and algae but we can pretend it's awesome :)
 

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After months and months of stressing about what is going on with the tank, I think I finally figured it out(or at least I am on the right track for recovery).

I made some changes between Jan-March like adding Kalkwasser, changing Coral+ T5 bulbs to Aquablue Special, Running GAC, etc. However, I have used all of these over the years without the issues with Acro's like I experienced. I was at a loss for words as nothing I did should have caused what was taking place.

Out of nowhere 80%+ of my Acro's lost their color and either turned pale or browned out. Shortly afterward my nutrients shot up to a level I have never experienced before. Usually, my No3 is around 5-10ppm and Po4 is 0.03-0.09. After the loss of colors, my No3 shot up to 75ppm and Po4 to 0.35ppm. Months went by and the colors never came back and corals continued to decline and then started to STN one by one.

One thing I did a couple of weeks before the color issue was I removed the UV sterilizer because it started to leak and I planned on getting a new one with the new build anyways.

This is why I think I know what is going on. I believe I have a bad bacteria/pathogen in my system and the UV sterilizer was keeping it in check. Once I removed the sterilizer then it allowed the bacteria to take hold.

The reason why I am coming to this conclusion is I started to dose Cipro daily starting on 08/24 and so far I have seen positive improvements. STN seems to have stopped, Calcium demand is going up and the most obvious is my pH has improved big time. I could not get passed 8 for a LONG time. Well, see below. I hit 8.16 for the last two days.

Daily swings since 08/24

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This is just a theory but something I have been thinking about and discussing with others. Aquabiomics is finding bad bacteria like Arcobacter, etc in tanks. I feel that over the last couple of years of increased growth with new hobbyists and especially the Frag game that has most hobbyists selling corals it is allowing bad bacteria strains to pass around to others. This could also explain the increase in ALOT of STN/RTN I seem to see daily on forum posts.

I am thinking there are bad bacteria/pathogens in our tanks that lay dormant like some viruses such as Herpes, Malaria, HIV, Salmonella, Streptococci, etc. Maybe the Pathogen is being passed around to hobbyists and not showing itself in the tank until something stresses the system out. Or, maybe someone has the pathogen and doesn't even know it because their tank doesn't allow it to thrive. They pass it to someone else via frags, etc and the pathogens' new host now has an environment that allows it to thrive. Mine might be an example by removing the UV sterilizer.

I sent off a sample to Aquabiomics two weeks ago before dosing with Cipro. I am curious to see what it comes back with. I will update when I receive the results.

This is a theory and just something I am thinking about. I could be completely wrong but so far, the results of dosing Cirpo have been promising.

I am not promoting anything and not telling anybody to turn to Antibiotics but there might be something to this. If everything else fails then this might be a good solution.
 
After months and months of stressing about what is going on with the tank, I think I finally figured it out(or at least I am on the right track for recovery).

I made some changes between Jan-March like adding Kalkwasser, changing Coral+ T5 bulbs to Aquablue Special, Running GAC, etc. However, I have used all of these over the years without the issues with Acro's like I experienced. I was at a loss for words as nothing I did should have caused what was taking place.

Out of nowhere 80%+ of my Acro's lost their color and either turned pale or browned out. Shortly afterward my nutrients shot up to a level I have never experienced before. Usually, my No3 is around 5-10ppm and Po4 is 0.03-0.09. After the loss of colors, my No3 shot up to 75ppm and Po4 to 0.35ppm. Months went by and the colors never came back and corals continued to decline and then started to STN one by one.

One thing I did a couple of weeks before the color issue was I removed the UV sterilizer because it started to leak and I planned on getting a new one with the new build anyways.

This is why I think I know what is going on. I believe I have a bad bacteria/pathogen in my system and the UV sterilizer was keeping it in check. Once I removed the sterilizer then it allowed the bacteria to take hold.

The reason why I am coming to this conclusion is I started to dose Cipro daily starting on 08/24 and so far I have seen positive improvements. STN seems to have stopped, Calcium demand is going up and the most obvious is my pH has improved big time. I could not get passed 8 for a LONG time. Well, see below. I hit 8.16 for the last two days.

Daily swings since 08/24

chart (1).png



This is just a theory but something I have been thinking about and discussing with others. Aquabiomics is finding bad bacteria like Arcobacter, etc in tanks. I feel that over the last couple of years of increased growth with new hobbyists and especially the Frag game that has most hobbyists selling corals it is allowing bad bacteria strains to pass around to others. This could also explain the increase in ALOT of STN/RTN I seem to see daily on forum posts.

I am thinking there are bad bacteria/pathogens in our tanks that lay dormant like some viruses such as Herpes, Malaria, HIV, Salmonella, Streptococci, etc. Maybe the Pathogen is being passed around to hobbyists and not showing itself in the tank until something stresses the system out. Or, maybe someone has the pathogen and doesn't even know it because their tank doesn't allow it to thrive. They pass it to someone else via frags, etc and the pathogens' new host now has an environment that allows it to thrive. Mine might be an example by removing the UV sterilizer.

I sent off a sample to Aquabiomics two weeks ago before dosing with Cipro. I am curious to see what it comes back with. I will update when I receive the results.

This is a theory and just something I am thinking about. I could be completely wrong but so far, the results of dosing Cirpo have been promising.

I am not promoting anything and not telling anybody to turn to Antibiotics but there might be something to this. If everything else fails then this might be a good solution.
I'm never not running a UV again on a tank. Since getting a good one for mine, I'm not going back haha
 

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Did you test PAR after swapping the tubes, I always found the AB special a harsh light and my corals hated them?
Just a thought.

I did. Some spots where maybe 80+ PAR difference in some areas. Again, nothing that should have caused what I went through. The corals where already losing color before the bulb switch. I switched the bulbs thinking the AB specials were washing them out.

When I ran black box LEDs I had 1400+ PAR hitting some of the corals and they looked good.

I think there is something to this. Changing the lights could have added stress but nothing to the extreme of events that took place. If a bad pathogen is in the system and a stress event happens then the corals might be so weak that they cannot handle the stress event or the pathogen is triggered from the stress event.

A big time coral vendor lives down the road from me. He receives wild Euphyllia and Acro's in weekly. I was over there last year and he pulled out a bottle and said this is the secret of the pros and then dosed some in his tank. He told me it was Cipro and he doses the last week of every month. Since dosing he hasn't lost a single Acro or an Euphyllia to brown jelly disease.

Aquabiomics did a study on Cipro and Arcobacter disease. Cipro eliminated the disease and helped bring the tank back to a normal balance.

I just checked my tanks this morning and after 3 months of hanging on to life, my Miyagi Tort is finally getting it's purple back and I can see purple in my Bonsai.
 
I agree! I pity the bacteria in the new system. Almost finished with the install of this bad boy!

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Twinsies almost lol I just put my UV back online today!! haha plumbed it in so much nicer than last time too 😂
 
Made some more progress today. Hung up the halide pendants to test them out. The plan is to install all 4 in an open canopy with T5s.

I love the Radiums!!

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Working on plumbing tomorrow while the stand continues to dry
Please don't post more pictures of the Radiums. I'm begging you. I can't, I just can't have them at home and it's not fair 😭 😭

Looks 🦆ing unreal mate!! I cannot wait to see everything set up!! :love::love:🥳🥳
 
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