Red Sea Jessican's Red Sea Reefer-S 1000

[Jposch]

Yeah I’m pretty irritated about it. There have been little things here and there that we’ve found, and they’ve been really good about fixing stuff, but this is a pretty big fire hazard up. Any electrician worth their salt should’ve known better.

I've been seeing alot of peope opting to hire an experienced and knowledgeable hoke inspector for new construction. People must not take pride in their work anymore. Swapping that breaker is 100% negligence. He can see white romex at the panel and still knowingly put an oversized breaker in....is that 100% a fire hazard? Probably not, but I'd say it's not 0.

 

[Jessican]

I've been seeing alot of peope opting to hire an experienced and knowledgeable hoke inspector for new construction. People must not take pride in their work anymore. Swapping that breaker is 100% negligence. He can see white romex at the panel and still knowingly put an oversized breaker in....is that 100% a fire hazard? Probably not, but I'd say it's not 0.

We noticed the breaker like a week or two before closing, so I’m pretty sure final inspections had already been done. Also, from what I read, it would get flagged in a commercial setting, but not necessarily a residential one, even if there had been one last inspection.

From what I understand, 14g wire is only rated to carry 15A, so if more than that is put through it, it can overheat, and the breaker wouldn’t trip until it got to 20A. Is it a guaranteed fire? No, but it certainly has the potential for one.

 

[Rostato]

Nice catch on the wiring up by the builder @Jessican and @Gspeed

 

[Jessican]

Current debate: will two Kessil AP9x be enough for this tank (83” x 27” x 25”), or do I need to pick up a third? For a mixed reef, they’re each supposedly good for 48” x 24” x 24” when mounted 15” above the water, so I think that 2 will be fine? Forum hivemind, what say you?

 

[Rostato]

I’d say good while you have frags and then plan to add another as things grow.

 

[saf1]

Pass by me as I've not used the AP series. I've only used the a360x. I was running 4 over my 210 which is 54 x 30 x 30 and it seemed enough but I had them mounted about 8 inches above the waterline. The only suggestion I have is to mount one up and see how it looks then mount the 2nd. On paper using those numbers 48 x 2 = 96 which in theory gets you covered. I would think that is going to depend on mounting height and of course intensity/power.

You could always play it safe and buy a 3rd. This would allow you to run them at a lower power/intensity and provide room for growth. The only thing is how it would look over the display. Unfortunately I'm not much help as I've not used those kits although the array in them is similar to the a360x design.

I do not like spending others money so maybe testing them is a good idea and see what you think. Of course lack of corals isn't going to help as it will be raw.

 

[bluerider098]

Current debate: will two Kessil AP9x be enough for this tank (83” x 27” x 25”), or do I need to pick up a third? For a mixed reef, they’re each supposedly good for 48” x 24” x 24” when mounted 15” above the water, so I think that 2 will be fine? Forum hivemind, what say you?

You know you want 3.

 

[adobo]

You know you want 3.

Right?

It seemed like a rhetorical question

 

[NPA]

Current debate: will two Kessil AP9x be enough for this tank (83” x 27” x 25”), or do I need to pick up a third? For a mixed reef, they’re each supposedly good for 48” x 24” x 24” when mounted 15” above the water, so I think that 2 will be fine? Forum hivemind, what say you?

I have 2 over a 72x24x30, and it should be enough light. The braces in my tank required that I put them, both more center (so none of the LED pucks were directly over a brace) which meant that I personally needed to add some old A360's I had on the ends to get the PAR coverage I wanted. Mine are mounted at ~10" and only run at 55% which nets me ~400 PAR at 12", so they're plenty powerful.

If you want SPS everywhere/anywhere I'd probably go 3, but for LPS/Mixed 2 is more than enough.

 

[Jessican]

You know you want 3.

Well not really, not at nearly $1k each I feel like the two should be enough since I’m not really into SPS, but going with three would definitely mean not having to worry about future growth, as @Rostato and @saf1 point out. I just want to decide now, since I intend to ceiling mount them and don't want to have to patch holes above the tank.

I have 2 over a 72x24x30, and it should be enough light. The braces in my tank required that I put them, both more center (so none of the LED pucks were directly over a brace) which meant that I personally needed to add some old A360's I had on the ends to get the PAR coverage I wanted. Mine are mounted at ~10" and only run at 55% which nets me ~400 PAR at 12", so they're plenty powerful.

If you want SPS everywhere/anywhere I'd probably go 3, but for LPS/Mixed 2 is more than enough.

I had two AP700s over the 525, which was 2’ shorter, but I only ran them at 45% power. Those supposedly had roughly the same coverage (48” x 24” at 18” above the water), so I feel like two would be fine if I just up the power? I do want them mounted fairly high, though, so that they aren't in the way when working in the tank. I figure that any SPS would just get mounted at the top of the rockwork, but I mostly like softies and LPS. I was planning on a nem of some kind for the clown harem, though; either a carpet or an LTA, which would probably both be at the bottom of the tank. Hmm.

I’ll have to see if @OZ_SPS will let me borrow the par meter when the tank is actually in place.

 

[Jposch]

Not trying to tell you how to live your life, but pair of @ReeFi Lights would probably do the trick and you could swap reeflectors to mount them higher or lower to get a good balance of spread, PAR, and mounting height.
But...I don't care for selling used stuff at a loss to buy new stuff to replace used stuff that works adequately. Maybe that's why I like halides. You plug them in and get what you get. Lol

 

[adobo]

Well not really, not at nearly $1k each I feel like the two should be enough since I’m not really into SPS, but going with three would definitely mean not having to worry about future growth, as @Rostato and @saf1 point out. I just want to decide now, since I intend to ceiling mount them and don't want to have to patch holes above the tank.


I had two AP700s over the 525, which was 2’ shorter, but I only ran them at 45% power. Those supposedly had roughly the same coverage (48” x 24” at 18” above the water), so I feel like two would be fine if I just up the power? I do want them mounted fairly high, though, so that they aren't in the way when working in the tank. I figure that any SPS would just get mounted at the top of the rockwork, but I mostly like softies and LPS. I was planning on a nem of some kind for the clown harem, though; either a carpet or an LTA, which would probably both be at the bottom of the tank. Hmm.

I’ll have to see if @OZ_SPS will let me borrow the par meter when the tank is actually in place.

My experience with these "point source" lighting systems is they throw a lot of light within the area that they are pointed at. Not so outside of that area. And, shadowing becomes an issue. I know you know all of this because you already had several similar set ups.

For my tanks, I have opted to go with more diffuse lighting solutions to either supplement a point source light or in the case of my second tank, as the primary source. Aesthetically, they don't look as clean as having a singular light element (or two or three even spaced above the tank) but they do seem to give more even coverage across the tank at any given depth.

My 2 cents.

 

[OZ_SPS]

Well not really, not at nearly $1k each  I feel like the two should be enough since I’m not really into SPS, but going with three would definitely mean not having to worry about future growth, as @Rostato and @saf1 point out. I just want to decide now, since I intend to ceiling mount them and don't want to have to patch holes above the tank.

I had two AP700s over the 525, which was 2’ shorter, but I only ran them at 45% power. Those supposedly had roughly the same coverage (48” x 24” at 18” above the water), so I feel like two would be fine if I just up the power? I do want them mounted fairly high, though, so that they aren't in the way when working in the tank. I figure that any SPS would just get mounted at the top of the rockwork, but I mostly like softies and LPS. I was planning on a nem of some kind for the clown harem, though; either a carpet or an LTA, which would probably both be at the bottom of the tank. Hmm.

I’ll have to see if @OZ_SPS will let me borrow the par meter when the tank is actually in place.

Naah, you are not trust worthy lol.



Any time Jessica!

 

[Gentlefish]

I have 2 AP700 on a 5 ft and the spread is a bit thin in the centre.
Then I got 5 360x for a 6 footer. Reasoning was that if one cluster breaks, it’s easier to replace. Reason for Kessil is wife.
I will now replace 1Ap700 by one of the ReefiUno2, but that one is in the Mail. Reason is that I need more light output.

 

[Paul B]

So the Schmuck installed a 20 amp breaker on #14 wire? Yes, it's illegal but "probably" won't burn the house down. Probably.

It could get a little warm though. I think you should leave the #14 wire in with the 15 amp breaker and have him install another 20 amp GFCI circuit with 12 wire. It is easier and less damaging to your house and safe.

Most circuits won't use anywhere near 15 amps and most homes don't use 25 amps in the entire house unless there is central air conditioning, electric heat or stove.

("A" Journeyman, totally bald Master construction electrician )

PS it doesn't matter if the romex is white or yellow, unless of course you are an artist and want to match the colors.

 

[Jessican]

I think you should leave the #14 wire in with the 15 amp breaker and have him install another 20 amp GFCI circuit with 12 wire. It is easier and less damaging to your house and safe.

Yeah that’s what I’d like to do, but since it’s a warranty claim, it’ll depend on what the builder wants to do. I’m not worried about damage to the house, they’re on the hook to fix that, too

 

[Paul B]

See Jessican, If I lived there I would have ran the circuits myself. Of course I can't even afford myself.

 

[Jessican]

Electricians are here today, and they were originally going to just run the 12G wiring to replace the existing 14G wiring. Instead, we've asked them to just leave that circuit alone (aside from changing the breaker back to a 15A breaker), and drop a new 12G/20A circuit for me, right next to the existing one. Basically the same amount of work, and now I get two circuits.

I've also decided to just get the third AP9X, and then I'll never have to worry about lighting. What's another $1K when you've already spent $11K? Just wish I'd made that decision before Black Friday

 

[saf1]

I've also decided to just get the third AP9X, and then I'll never have to worry about lighting. What's another $1K when you've already spent $11K? Just wish I'd made that decision before Black Friday

I'm sure you already thought of this but if you do order another light see if they have a return policy and the date. Could be extended through late January due to the holidays. You could say it was a gift or for a gift. Not cheating the system since I think that is bad karma but price match if something goes on sale. If nothing else put a price watch or note somewhere to check.

I know the feeling as I wish I bought a light to match what I have when they hit 25% off in Oct or Nov, forget which. The so called holiday sales only offered 15%. While I love the light the cat was out of the bag when they offered 25...

Glad the electrical is sorted out. Hope you have an amazing day. All the best.

 

[bluerider098]

Electricians are here today, and they were originally going to just run the 12G wiring to replace the existing 14G wiring. Instead, we've asked them to just leave that circuit alone (aside from changing the breaker back to a 15A breaker), and drop a new 12G/20A circuit for me, right next to the existing one. Basically the same amount of work, and now I get two circuits.

I've also decided to just get the third AP9X, and then I'll never have to worry about lighting. What's another $1K when you've already spent $11K? Just wish I'd made that decision before Black Friday

Ha ha, I knew it.