HELP Juvenile YT stopped eating. Help.

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Hello fellow reefers, happy 4th of July!
I have a juvenile YT in my DT that has been with me for about 6 months now, it was QT'd for 30 days, it did have ich and stringy poop during the process so cupramine and prazipro were used and it recovered well and 30 days after transferred to my DT, he's been in DT for 5 months and eats like a horse, it gets fed 3x a day, Nori, Frozen and Flakes and graze on rocks all day long. Yesterday morning it ate like a horse again, but then in the evening I noticed it wasn't as active as it used to be and not grazing at all, gave it some Nori but it showed no interest, flakes no interest either. This morning I fed Nori and frozen and it did not even go close to it. It isn't lethargic per see but definitely not as active as it used to be. I see no other symptoms, no white spots, not swimming against power head, not scratching in the rocks, not breathing heavily or anything. I have two other clown fish in DT that seem to be doing just fine.
I have a QT up and running with four other fish that will make it to the DT soon, but the QT is currently at 0.5ppm of copper so it would be very risky to drop the YT in there right now. I honestly have no idea what to do.
Inverts were added to DT 3 or 4 weeks ago, I am unable to QT inverts or corals unfortunately. Not sure if it would mean something but my cleaner shrimp won't let it go, it keeps going after the YT and literally jumps at it.
Anyone able to shed some light here?
**Very hard to take pictures on the YT, he's camera shy**
 

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Happy 4th! Beautiful setup and YT, yet the tank seems young. How long is the built? What are the parameters? Do you have a closeup?
Will say that no QT will burn you. Guaranteed in the long run. You can mitigate by buying QT fish, urchins do not need QT and coral live tissue in dipped is also safer.
 

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Thanks. The tank was filled up end of January, had to move out of the old house in March, so the tank was re-filled on 19th of March. A Firefish died just a few days after from mouth infection, it probably got injured while being transferred to the new place, it was a very frustrating experience for everybody to say the least haha. Just ran a few tests, PH 8.0, no Ammonia, PO4 0.17 and NO3 15. I took a close up picture now. I am thinking to maybe freshdip him for 5 minutes? I honestly don't know what to do, lost another tang that was in my QT a few weeks ago and don't want to lose this fella, apart from that I really am concerned that whatever he's got may have an outbreak in my DT. 😩
 

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@Vini How soon after adding unquarantined corals/inverts did this behavior begin? Are all of those corals/inverts looking fine? Any other fish in the tank? If so, are they still eating + acting right??
@Humblefish last batch of unquarantined inverts went in on the 9th of June and yes I have two clowns in the DT, eating and acting right yes. My lights went on in the last hour and it seems the YT got even slower after that, swimming in the same spot only. I threw some frozen food, it reacted to it as it was going to feed, but just a few seconds after it went back to the same spot it was.
 

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@Humblefish last batch of unquarantined inverts went in on the 9th of June and yes I have two clowns in the DT, eating and acting right yes. My lights went on in the last hour and it seems the YT got even slower after that, swimming in the same spot only. I threw some frozen food, it reacted to it as it was going to feed, but just a few seconds after it went back to the same spot it was.
Sounds like "something" has gone wrong, but not enough info to make a proper diagnosis yet. Are you noticing any rapid breathing, head twitching, swimming into the flow of a wavemaker? Is the fish purposely trying to stay out of the light?
 

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Sounds like "something" has gone wrong, but not enough info to make a proper diagnosis yet. Are you noticing any rapid breathing, head twitching, swimming into the flow of a wavemaker? Is the fish purposely trying to stay out of the light?
I know... the fish does not really show much symptoms of what it's got apart from not eating. He's not avoiding the light but he stays put in the same spot since the lights came on. I shot a video, maybe he's twitching?


I guess not much to do at this stage, wait until tomorrow and see?
 

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I know... the fish does not really show much symptoms of what it's got apart from not eating. He's not avoiding the light but he stays put in the same spot since the lights came on. I shot a video, maybe he's twitching?


I guess not much to do at this stage, wait until tomorrow and see?
I can't really see rapid breathing.
 

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I know... the fish does not really show much symptoms of what it's got apart from not eating. He's not avoiding the light but he stays put in the same spot since the lights came on. I shot a video, maybe he's twitching?


I guess not much to do at this stage, wait until tomorrow and see?
It could be the very early stages of velvet: Marine Velvet Disease

The way he is darting through the water is what fish sometimes do when they are attempting to dislodge worms/parasites, or seeking relief from worms/parasites clogging up their gills. By forcing more water movement through the gills.

However, it is way too early to make any kind of diagnosis. I would just wait & see for now. However, I would at least have a bottle of H2O2 on hand for temp relief if this does turn out to be velvet: Hydrogen Peroxide
 

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It could be the very early stages of velvet: Marine Velvet Disease

The way he is darting through the water is what fish sometimes do when they are attempting to dislodge worms/parasites, or seeking relief from worms/parasites clogging up their gills. By forcing more water movement through the gills.

However, it is way too early to make any kind of diagnosis. I would just wait & see for now. However, I would at least have a bottle of H2O2 on hand for temp relief if this does turn out to be velvet: Hydrogen Peroxide
Update: This morning the YT looked exactly the same he did yesterday. He does look to be a little bit more active when the lights are off. He doesn't hide from light in a cave but swims around the same spot. Fed the tank and it reacted to it like it was going to feed but didn't, the other two fish are fine. I will see how it looks when I get home from work
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The tank is much, much to sparce and new for a YT. No hiding places at all and he is looking for one and nothing to graze on so that fish is "extremely" stressed. Very few fish would be comfortable or live in there and would be susceptible to just about everything but even if it didn't contract any disease his mental state isn't going to be well at all.

Sorry, just my opinion. :unsure:
 
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Jumping in. Hi Vini and welcome to the forum. I think your set up looks really nice but I have to agree with Paul that the setup really does not offer any scape for the fish. Every fish needs to know that they have a place to hide. If he wanted to hide, where would he do that?. Even when we QT fish, we provide lots of hiding places and the fish need to know that you can't see them. I do agree that even if the fish does not have an illness, that fish is going to stress out a lot.

Maybe throw a few PVC connectors in there so that he can hide. Good luck
 

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Thanks, John. I appreciate your input. I do like to hear people's opinion and I always, always take into consideration what is said. What I do not understand though is how sometimes some people throw their opinion out there like Paul did, where there was only negativity in his comments, it's like witnessing someone about to get ran over by a car and instead of helping them you shout at them, yeah you'll be dead in no time! People do not know what else I got going on, what my plans are for tank and fish, and etc. But maybe there's nothing wrong with his comment and it's just me being moody. Anyways I do appreciate you and Paul's input, I will definitely look at providing more hiding space for the fish in that tank.
 

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Update on the fish: Got home and it was a bit more active than yesterday, fed a piece of Nori sheet and to my surprise it picked at it, very gently and in small amounts and then he started picking and spiting pieces out. It's a bit better than yesterday when he did not even go close to it.
@Humblefish would this be a common behavior in the early days of velvet? No rapid breathing, no white spots and the other two fish are doing fine. Thanks!
 

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What I do not understand though is how sometimes some people throw their opinion out there like Paul did, where there was only negativity in his comments, it's like witnessing someone about to get ran over by a car and instead of helping them you shout at them, yeah you'll be dead in no time! People do not know what else I got going on, what my plans are for tank and fish, and etc
Hi @Vini
Welcome to the Forum!
Hunger strikes are always stressful.
Keep in mind, when most members offer you advice they are taking time out of their day to try to help. Sometimes members (& even Humblefish himself) give advice to wholeheartedly help, but it is direct & to the point. That's not to be harsh. It is because we too have things going on & only jumping on quickly to help.

The reason Paul B. gave the advice he did was not to be negative. Only pinpoint areas in which to help.
I agree with Paul & John - add a sleeping cave or PVC. A fish needs a shelter to sleep or retreat to if stressed. Instinct is telling them they are vulnerable.
As to him mentioning the tank being new- this refers to a couple of points:
1) Tangs are grazers. Some don't always accept a nori clip right away. So a DT that already has some algae on the rock is a plus.
Try nori rubber banded to a rock. This might feel a bit more natural to the YT.
2) We have thread by one of our experts (eatbreakfast) on Fish Stocking Advice.
Here is the link:
Ideally you add hardy dither fish first before tangs, angels etc. Dither fish being out signal to other fish that it is "safe" to come out into the open. This makes fish like tangs & angels less stressed, more likely to eat etc.
3) Tangs are more assertive fish. They are usually added later to a tank because they are more territorial.
4) Do you plan to add more tangs? It is best to add them all at once. But no worries. Submit your fish wish list. Eatbreakfast (@ link above) can advise the best order in which to add fish. If you want to add more tangs in the future he can advise the best way to do that.

Other help:
If your fish shows further symptoms or concerning behavior, we have a whole team of medics plus experts that assist Humblefish.
You can tag @ Fish Disease Medics. John & Vince are our Medics and they do an awesome job.

Good luck.
We have lots of members & links to help.
 

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Update on the fish: Got home and it was a bit more active than yesterday, fed a piece of Nori sheet and to my surprise it picked at it, very gently and in small amounts and then he started picking and spiting pieces out. It's a bit better than yesterday when he did not even go close to it.
@Humblefish would this be a common behavior in the early days of velvet? No rapid breathing, no white spots and the other two fish are doing fine. Thanks!
It might have been a self-correcting situation, but also keep in mind that a fish with velvet will act/feel better when the trophonts drop off. But that's only a temporary fix. I'm not saying for sure that you have velvet in your tank... I'm just saying to keep a close eye on everything in case things start rapidly going downhill.
 
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