Kole Tang Flipping !

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Is it a big deal that I'll be 12-14 hours late with the bath for the coral beauty? TTM wise even with the transfer today to observation I followed all the rules and it was a sterile tank. It just happened to be there waiting for when they finished their TTM.

Probably not a big deal with the bath getting delayed 12-14 hours (to clear velvet), but you need to stick with the 72 hour transfers (or less) to clear Ich.
 

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Yeah transfer wise they are good.

They only went into a new Tub on the 17th and technically today (the 18th) was another transfer without using any of the equipment from today's intended transfer or the old tub. I panickeda bit earlier but I was sure to not slam any doors on available options to get back on track. The only factor I wasn't sure on was if the bath being late for velvet was going to be an issue. But the immediate need was obviously to deal with today's issue

Will report back in the morning hopefully with some positive news 🙈
 

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So both fish are still with me :giggle:

The Kole is doing circular laps again though in a less erratic way and it's turning both ways. If what happened yesterday wasn't a factor I would say what I'm dealing with was a stressed fish not totally happy in it's current environment.

Given where I am with TTM Hybrid and given that the TTM Tub is larger than the current hospital tank I'm considering the following.

Both fish are given the Peroxide bath in their current location.

I then catch both and put them into the next TTM tub. I'm at day 10 so it's both of their last tubs.

I push light on the food and proactively dose Prime.

In the next 71 hours I go and buy a new larger hospital ( 3ft rather than 2ft) after their last transfer that becomes their home until a point they have both been observed and I'm totally happy.

I will use the Bio Filter I have been keeping active and kept clean yesterday in the final hospital tank

Option B is keep them where they are at right now. And put the Bio Filter in place.

Thinking for the Fish I think option A only has the downside of introducing peroxide for 30 minutes. The move to the Larger Tub where I can block off the sides and back will hopefully create a more comfortable environment for the Kole and it will be fresh clean water and then a larger observation where I can do the same preparation to give it a more comfortable home again is less stressful than a tank that's two small. Plus if it takes two months to come 100% good then its in a suitable environmemt. It also has the added bonus of everything treatment wise under TTM being done.

I would appreciate any advice and feel free to be very blunt. If I'm being stupid or if there are better options I'd like to hear them. I could still just finish for the Coral Beauty but I do not think I can keep the Kole happy in the current tank either way and if I treat one and not the other then they cant both finish observation in the same tank which would likely mean I need to take the coral beauty and put it straight into the DT after
 

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I'm gonna be straight with you: If I was in your shoes, I would be nervous as hell giving that tang a peroxide bath so soon after "whatever" happened less than 24 hours ago. However, it would also piss me off having to restart TTM on him considering the amount of work involved. So, I would roll the dice on another peroxide bath as scheduled...

As my dad always told me: Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst, and you'll never be disappointed.
 

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Thank you , straight is always the best way to be and I am definitely nervous about doing it as well though looking at it from multiple places ...

If it has Velvet , Flukes , Brooke etc (which don't appear visually atm) then this last Peroxide Bath is meant to address it , if it has Ich , this last transfer will resolve it and I don't have to touch him for 71 hours. He will also go into a larger tank (the tub) and I can close off the back and sides like it seemed to enjoy before all this happened as he doesn't seem terribly happy where he is at the moment. It also gives me 71 hours to get him a larger tank setup where he can hospitalize until it is truly 100% and I don't have to worry about it needing to deal with the big 4 issues.

The only other tangible option I can think of is from here move it to the larger hospital tank outside of what would have been the last TTM window and potentially it's dealing with any one of 4 issues I didn't finish treating all while trying to get better as well.

Would you still go with 150ppm or should I dial it back to 75ppm or 100ppm ?

Your advise is solid and appreciated very much, I went to bed last night very much accepting on it might simply be it either way for the fish and was actually surprised to wake up to it clearly a bit stressed by a combination of it's environment and trying to swim 100% right BUT ALIVE.

If it makes ANY difference in comfort level I do still have about 21 hours up my sleeve as far as TTM transfer time goes, but I am now behind schedule on the peroxide bath. (at the time of writing this 14.5 hours behind (counting in 24 hour intervals not by date ) and I'm assuming there isn't very much wiggle room with the schedule for peroxide. Particularly being that at this point it's theory. Will making use of the extra time likely help at all to take advantage of that time or really no difference in then and now so just act on now and don't run a risk with two fish instead of one
 
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Bath done at 150ppm for 30 minutes and still have two fish so far :)

Both fish seemed to have zero negative signs , the fact I did it in the glass tank they were in I think helped with that.

Both fish actually ate during the last 10 minutes of their bath and displayed zero behavioral change , they are now both in an 80 liter tub.

I'll update my Clinical trial though I'm not sure if you want to keep the thread in the clinical section still or if you want to move it elsewhere. I won't be offended either way and acknowledge I went 15 hours outside of the official 6 day bath window so it's perhaps no longer a clinical trial and more about documenting my experience.

I will update once I have more news though I have to say in the 15 minutes the Kole has been in the new tub it's like night and day as far as behavior goes I did notice some markings on it's side which were slightly blotchy like stress markings it's gone back to the paler shade it was when I initially got him but it's been a stressful 24 hours for all of us so I'm sure I'm a different shade atm too !

Thank you again so much for your help everybody this is a fantastic community and I would have been completely lost without it and the information contained within it !

Will keep the thread updated to a conclusion whatever that may be :)
 

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Glad to hear there was a successful outcome! Now, finish up TTM, discontinue all meds and focus on feeding these fish vitamin soaked foods multiple times per day (and lots of nori too):
 
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Thank you humblefish and everyone 😊

So far everything is looking positive after the bath. The Kole is definateky more comfortable and happy in the tub than he was in the 20 gallon glass tank confirming for me I likely need to get a larger hospital to see it through observation or need to stick to tubs and add a bio filter (though they obviously aren't suitable for good viewing of the Fish) maybe it's just because it was day one following the incident but it didn't seem to enjoy it's time there.

I picked up some Hikari frozen Herbivore mix yesterday which is a nice mix of veggies and zooplankton enriched with vitamins and garlic which it seems to respond well too. It's not a pig like the coral beauty but is eating.

I've been soaking some dry rock the last 24 hours in RO to use for Nori as it doesn't seem to understand a clip to be a source of food yet.

I'll pick up some aquaforest Fish V and Seachem Vitality today.

I can't get Focus here but I have multiple shipments due the week of the 2nd which have some focus included in the orders
 

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Just wanted to report back that now 5 days following on from the event the Kole Tang is doing great. It is swimming normally, and now that it's in a temporary observation tank of a more suitable size it seems quite happy and is eating.

I still haven't managed to get it to do more than stare at nori but having great success with the Vitalis Grazing rings and Hikari Algae Wafers which I'm pre-treating with Aquaforest Fish-V.

It's also eating mysis and flake which are mainly going in for the coral beauty but being shared.

The first few days in the new tank it had the normal nerves you'd expect and it still prefers to spend 70% of it's time in the PVC but each day it's getting more used to me putting my hand in the tank for testing or feeding. I had no power head on the tank at first just airstones and a HOB filter but now I added an air stone to both keep food suspended and to see how it goes swimming normally with a little flow.

It's got a minimum of 2-3 more weeks in the current tank I think both for observation and to let my black molly testing on the display complete but it's doing great so far.

With the grief and concern it's caused with picky eating and other things we have decided it's a she and she's been given a name :)
 
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