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[Humblefish]

I can see them in the video now. Those look too large to be Ich. Ich trophonts are more oval shaped and range in size from 48 x 27 to 452 x 360 micrometers. Has this fish already been dewormed with praziquantel or fenbendazole??

 

[Eholceker]

I can see them in the video now. Those look too large to be Ich. Ich trophonts are more oval shaped and range in size from 48 x 27 to 452 x 360 micrometers. Has this fish already been dewormed with praziquantel or fenbendazole??

They went through prazi/gc in the prior tank and before I transferred them gave them a FWD and didnt notice anything. Should I hit then with Prazi again? I was actually planning another transfer in a few weeks with a 12 hour fenben bath in between.

 

[Humblefish]

They went through prazi/gc in the prior tank and before I transferred them gave them a FWD and didnt notice anything. Should I hit then with Prazi again? I was actually planning another transfer in a few weeks with a 12 hour fenben bath in between.

I would FW dip first to confirm/rule out flukes: https://humble.fish/community/index.php?threads/freshwater-dip.20/

 

[Eholceker]

I would FW dip first to confirm/rule out flukes: https://humble.fish/community/index.php?threads/freshwater-dip.20/

Thanks. If it's not flukes can it be a late reaction to the copper treatment? Anything else it could really be? I have 5 fish in the QT tank and this is the only one with spots.

 

[Humblefish]

Thanks. If it's not flukes can it be a late reaction to the copper treatment? Anything else it could really be? I have 5 fish in the QT tank and this is the only one with spots.

Could be something viral (i.e. nodules). All medications (copper, prazi, antibiotics, etc.) are immunosuppressants, so if a fish has a latent virus it is more likely to experience a "flare-up" following exposure to meds.

 

[Eholceker]

Could be something viral (i.e. nodules). All medications (copper, prazi, antibiotics, etc.) are immunosuppressants, so if a fish has a latent virus it is more likely to experience a "flare-up" following exposure to meds.

Fish still looks the same but otherwise doing well. I actually think this may be lympho as a few of the spots look like skin tags.

 

[Eholceker]

@Humblefish new day new issue, ugh. The rabbitfish is now scratching at its gills. Caught it doing it a few times today. Not sure what else I can do. Is it possible for fish to still have flukes and not see them in a bucket after a FWD.

 

[Humblefish]

@Humblefish new day new issue, ugh. The rabbitfish is now scratching at its gills. Caught it doing it a few times today. Not sure what else I can do. Is it possible for fish to still have flukes and not see them in a bucket after a FWD.

Gill flukes are substantially smaller than skin flukes. You have to look really closely for the tiny white specks. A FW dip is also less effective against gill flukes, so there will be less to see on the bottom of the bucket.

It's also possible a parasite or even viral nodule is afflicting the gills.

 

[Eholceker]

I am not sure what else I can do? I transferrred the fish out of 14 days of copper into a new tank. In between the transfer I gave them a FWD with no flukes in the bucket. Do I start over and this time use CP and transfer out into a new tank after 10 days and then in between transfer do a 12 hour fenben bath?

 

[Humblefish]

I am not sure what else I can do? I transferrred the fish out of 14 days of copper into a new tank. In between the transfer I gave them a FWD with no flukes in the bucket. Do I start over and this time use CP and transfer out into a new tank after 10 days and then in between transfer do a 12 hour fenben bath?

Sometimes the best thing you can do is to put the fish in clean water (no meds) and feed vitamin soaked nutritious foods. Wait and see what happens. There comes a point where the medications have done all the good they can, and actually turn into a detriment.

You could put a couple of black mollies in with him just to be sure he's not carrying any transferable diseases: https://humble.fish/community/index.php?threads/black-molly-quarantine.55/

 

[Eholceker]

Sometimes the best thing you can do is to put the fish in clean water (no meds) and feed vitamin soaked nutritious foods. Wait and see what happens. There comes a point where the medications have done all the good they can, and actually turn into a detriment.

You could put a couple of black mollies in with him just to be sure he's not carrying any transferable diseases: https://humble.fish/community/index.php?threads/black-molly-quarantine.55/

Sounds like a plan. I'll see what happens over the next 30 days or so. I hope I didnt accidentally didnt reinfect the fish feeding the rabbit live macro. Any experience with the herbatana products?

 

[Humblefish]

Sounds like a plan. I'll see what happens over the next 30 days or so. I hope I didnt accidentally didnt reinfect the fish feeding the rabbit live macro. Any experience with the herbatana products?

Herbtana manages parasites; Artemiss manages bacterial diseases. However, once the fish is removed symptoms usually return. Herbal remedies are usually just a band-aid, if they even work at all.

 

[Eholceker]

Herbtana manages parasites; Artemiss manages bacterial diseases. However, once the fish is removed symptoms usually return. Herbal remedies are usually just a band-aid, if they even work at all.

What about polylab medic? I actually have an unused bottle from a few years ago. I am assuming it's just like peroxide?

 

[Humblefish]

What about polylab medic? I actually have an unused bottle from a few years ago. I am assuming it's just like peroxide?

It supposedly contains H2O2, and I'm not sure what else. If it does contain peroxide, it's at least useful as a bath.

 

[Eholceker]

It supposedly contains H2O2, and I'm not sure what else. If it does contain peroxide, it's at least useful as a bath.

Thanks. I'll keep you posted on how things are looking in a few weeks.

 

[Eholceker]

@Humblefish just an fyi this is the rabbitfish flashing around the 1 minute mark.

 

[Humblefish]

@Eholceker To target the gills like that is concerning. Usually means parasites or worms inside the gills. Have you ever seen Lympho on this fish? Sometimes the nodules grow over the gills, and can cause a similar reaction. Any irritant afflicting their gills will cause them to scratch like that. I've seen wrasses do it right after emerging from the sand. They scratch and scratch, and then I'll see a clump of sand drop out of their gills...

 

[Eholceker]

@Eholceker To target the gills like that is concerning. Usually means parasites or worms inside the gills. Have you ever seen Lympho on this fish? Sometimes the nodules grow over the gills, and can cause a similar reaction.

I haven't. This fish was actually the reason why I took then out of the display. Since I didnt know what I was treating at first I started them in hypo for 2 weeks. After Hypo didnt stop the flashing I used cupramine at .5 which did seem to stop the flashing but since the rabbitfish developed finrot during treatment I stopped at 14 days at transferred to a sterile QT tank. The fins regrow but the fish started flashing again. Also before I treated with copper I did treat with Prazi and FWD'd the fish and had no flukes in the bucket. I am at a loss. Is it flukes/worms? Is the macro I am getting from algea barn constantly reimfecting the fish.

 

[Humblefish]

When you treated with prazi, did you do two rounds about a week apart? (Sorry if you've already answered this question previously.)

 

[Eholceker]

When you treated with prazi, did you do two rounds about a week apart? (Sorry if you've already answered this question previously.)

I actually did 3 treatments on days 1,4, and 7.