Not my week....560 has ich, velvet, brook or ??

[bryanr]

So yesterday I started treating my 560 with peroxide because my Annularis had spots as did my Atlantic blue tang and both sailfins. Today I woke up to this.

The Queen shows no spots or anything I can see but is hiding in the rocks. Scopas, Yellow Tang, Foxface and wrasse have minimal to no spots and are acting fine. The Annularis is out today and swimming some but goes back in the rocks. The Atlantic blue is just swimming in place not acting stressed, but as you can see is bad off. The Emperor has it the worst, he is on the bottom leaning on the acrylic. He will come out and swim. I also have a 1' Unicorn who shows no symptoms and is fast so couldn't get a pic.

So what do you think? Still ich? The Atlantic Blue is the most recent addition, came from a fellow hobbyist who never saw any diseases in the tank.

 

[John Reefer Vermont]

Hi. Can you take photos with the blue spectrum turned off?. To me, it looks like you are dealing with multiple issues.

If you started H2O2 yesterday, I would not think that you would see any changes today. It takes time to ramp up.

 

[bryanr]

Unfortunately on this tank that is a white as the light will get as it is currently setup. It's a FOWLR so i have some blue and white LED strips all hooked together along with some kessil a80's. I can try tomorrow to swap some stuff around to have just the white kessil's on.

 

[John Reefer Vermont]

Ok. In looking at the Atlantic Blue tang, does it look like the skin is flaking off?. Take a look at this link and tell me what you think. Please note that I am not suggesting Brook. Just want to rule it out. It is likely to be some other bacteria so you may want to dose an antibiotic. I am also referring you to the experts @Fish Disease Experts

Brooklynella

Brooklynella hostilis (updated 1-17-23) What You Need To Know: * This is most often seen with clownfish, but it can afflict other fish (usually in the gills) as well. When a clownfish has Brook, the skin will appear to be peeling or sloughing off. Which is actually excess white mucous coming...

humble.fish

 

[bryanr]

I would say yes to that is what it looks like I'm headed to the basement to see if I can get a better picture of the Atlantic Blue.

 

[Jposch]

looks like velvet or brooklynella

 

[bryanr]

Video I took of the Atlantic blue

 

[EAChris]

I would say there are fewer spots on the Blue Tang in the video than in the original photos which leads me to think it is velvet and you caught it after several have fallen off the fish. Judging by some of the other fish though, I wouldn't be surprised it if was both Brook and Velvet.

 

[Humblefish]

I wouldn't be surprised it if was both Brook and Velvet.

I agree. I would expect secondary bacterial infections to start popping up next: Bacterial Infections

 

[bryanr]

I would say there are fewer spots on the Blue Tang in the video than in the original photos which leads me to think it is velvet and you caught it after several have fallen off the fish. Judging by some of the other fish though, I wouldn't be surprised it if was both Brook and Velvet.

OK, I am already treating the tank with H2O2, if it is brook and velvet would you suggest I stop H2O2 and try Ruby Reef Rally or continue with H2O2 or both. I have no real option to move these fish as they are very large and would not do well in a smaller tank. I might be able to catch some and give them a bath.

 

[bryanr]

I agree. I would expect secondary bacterial infections to start popping up next: Bacterial Infections

OK what do you suggest for in tank treatment? I have vitamins Selcon, Kent Zoe marine, Vita-chem, vitamin c, vitamarin m. I already dosed the tank with Vitamarin C.

 

[Vincelovesfish]

I would keep going with h202. the baths only buy you time and give relief not eradication. Copper in a tank with a ton of rock and sand is difficult to maintain therapeutic levels. Bacterial infections can be treated using antibiotic baths and laced food. It's a tough position to he in and I sympathize. If you don't have inverts and don't plan to. Pulling rock out and treating with copper is an option. Pulling into qts is best imo.

 

[bryanr]

I would keep going with h202. the baths only buy you time and give relief not eradication. Copper in a tank with a ton of rock and sand is difficult to maintain therapeutic levels. Bacterial infections can be treated using antibiotic baths and laced food. It's a tough position to he in and I sympathize. If you don't have inverts and don't plan to. Pulling rock out and treating with copper is an option. Pulling into qts is best imo.

what size tank would you put a 1' fish in for QT?

 

[EAChris]

It's going to have to be big enough for all the fish so you'd likely have to look at 100+ gallons, at least. A plastic stock tank might be a viable option, depending on what you can set up. With the size of your fish, ammonia is going to be a concern. The bigger the tank you choose, the less of a problem it will be.

 

[bryanr]

It's going to have to be big enough for all the fish so you'd likely have to look at 100+ gallons, at least. A plastic stock tank might be a viable option, depending on what you can set up. With the size of your fish, ammonia is going to be a concern. The bigger the tank you choose, the less of a problem it will be.

That's the problem. I have used all the space with my current tanks and have no room for a 6' tank or large stock tank for QT.

 

[EAChris]

Could you temporarily repurpose your sump? It's not an ideal set up by any means but it might work in a pinch. Or pull all the rock and isolate the DT?

 

[bryanr]

No sump wouldn't work baffles are everywhere. I could try to pull rock, but where to put it for months. If it's brook and velvet would something like Ruby Reef help?

 

[John Reefer Vermont]

No sump wouldn't work baffles are everywhere. I could try to pull rock, but where to put it for months. If it's brook and velvet would something like Ruby Reef help?

Would you consider treating the entire system?. If you wanted to move all the fish to a QT tank, you would still need to "cure" your main display perhaps by a Fallow period.

If you were to treat the entire system, you don't have to move anything out. Treat in place. This process has produced evidence in eradicating even Uronema.

 

[bryanr]

I would consider treating the system. What do you treat it with. I will never have inverts in this tank.

 

[John Reefer Vermont]

What do you treat it with. I will never have inverts in this tank.

So if you are never have inverts, does that mean no snails, crabs, shrimps?. If the answer is no, then you could treat with H2O2 at therapeutic levels right of the start.

With H2O2, you could add corals years from now. If you were to treat with copper, you may have a harder time later on.

Do you have a doser?. If you I can put together a treatment plan for you.