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I ordered one from AquaCave this morning, thank you for looking out!


Good deal in finally getting one. I figured if they put some on their site they had to send some out too..
Happy to help someone out. Just have to wonder why these are in so short supply. I also would not think demand would not be real heavy on this item.
Hydros is either doing really well or parts are really in short supply. I have been trying to get my hands on another X2 myself.
 
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Good deal in finally getting one. I figured if they put some on their site they had to send some out too..
Happy to help someone out. Just have to wonder why these are in so short supply. I also would not think demand would not to real heavy on this item.
Hydros is either doing really well or parts are really in short supply. I have been trying to get my hands on another X2 myself.
Yeah. I have been waiting for an X2 for about a month now.
 

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Raised the sensor for the Klir, so far no issues.
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Yeah. I have been waiting for an X2 for about a month now.
I really like the Hydros gear, only complaint is Wi-Fi bar still occasionally loses connection.
 
Raised the sensor for the Klir, so far no issues.
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I really like the Hydros gear, only complaint is Wi-Fi bar still occasionally loses connection.
Oh yeah, I hate their wifi bar. After adding a good wifi extender I haven't had an issue since. Even then, I swap everything to the wifi strip from amazon just because it makes life easier when I can connect them with Amazon Alexa.

I do keep the hydros wifi bar for the smaller tanks in the house but I don't trust them for my main system.
 

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Oh yeah, I hate their wifi bar. After adding a good wifi extender I haven't had an issue since. Even then, I swap everything to the wifi strip from amazon just because it makes life easier when I can connect them with Amazon Alexa.

I do keep the hydros wifi bar for the smaller tanks in the house but I don't trust them for my main system.


That because it is not the WiFi bar or the Hydros system it is peoples WiFi or how it is set up. I am a tester and I run allot of these Wifi strips. I have to run them in different scenarios too. I rarely have a drop and most of the time it is because I run beta firmware and see bugs. I did have disconencts all the time with my ATT router/wifi combo. Once off that and used my own router as a AP never a issue.
The issue now adays and you would think it would not be since wifi is used so much is these crappy wifi routers especially the ones provided by the isp. The biggest issue is mesh especially Google.

Wifi is just as reliable as wired if set up correctly and with decent equipment.
Personally I like the XP8 because they have a processor and have some redundancy if the main control unit goes out so if in a collective it can carry on.

The big issue with the wifi bar is when wifi drops they remain in the last state they were in. This means do not put stuff like dosing pumps on them. Heaters should have a temp controller if used on them. Personally, I use heat controllers all the time no matter what they are on and use the Aquarium controller as a back up. I do this with my Apex also and did with all my Digital aquatics controllers too. I do this because there is only so many times a switched outlet can turn off or on. I would rather replace a heat controller than a whole strip if a outlet fails. Heaters can turn on and off allot.
 

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The WiFi bar performance has improved but I still get enough momentary disconnects to notice. I tried them on a mesh network and tried setting up a 2.4 ghz SSID with a separate router just for them and still get occasional drops. I've thought about adding another XP8 but it's overkill at this time.
 
That because it is not the WiFi bar or the Hydros system it is peoples WiFi or how it is set up. I am a tester and I run allot of these Wifi strips. I have to run them in different scenarios too. I rarely have a drop and most of the time it is because I run beta firmware and see bugs. I did have disconencts all the time with my ATT router/wifi combo. Once off that and used my own router as a AP never a issue.
The issue now adays and you would think it would not be since wifi is used so much is these crappy wifi routers especially the ones provided by the isp. The biggest issue is mesh especially Google.

Wifi is just as reliable as wired if set up correctly and with decent equipment.
Personally I like the XP8 because they have a processor and have some redundancy if the main control unit goes out so if in a collective it can carry on.

The big issue with the wifi bar is when wifi drops they remain in the last state they were in. This means do not put stuff like dosing pumps on them. Heaters should have a temp controller if used on them. Personally, I use heat controllers all the time no matter what they are on and use the Aquarium controller as a back up. I do this with my Apex also and did with all my Digital aquatics controllers too. I do this because there is only so many times a switched outlet can turn off or on. I would rather replace a heat controller than a whole strip if a outlet fails. Heaters can turn on and off allot.
I wouldn't consider my orbi as crap routers. I was getting messages every 30 min or so. Either way, it was just a pain in the ass. I didn't feel like dealing with them. Still a fan of hydros but I would rather get the XP8. For more reliable and cheaper alternative, the wifi strips from amazon works well for my need.
 

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I wouldn't consider my orbi as crap routers. I was getting messages every 30 min or so. Either way, it was just a pain in the ass. I didn't feel like dealing with them. Still a fan of hydros but I would rather get the XP8. For more reliable and cheaper alternative, the wifi strips from amazon works well for my need.


Actually Orbi is known to have disconnect issues, I am not sure if they fixed it. Most devices actually do not see minor disconnects though.
I know someone else who had issue with them and I did a search on them. It was a while ago and for another piece of equipment not a aquarium controller, I am not sure what the issue was. May want to check firmware. I do not want to derail this thread anymore. Feel free to pm me.
 

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Actually Orbi is known to have disconnect issues, I am not sure if they fixed it. Most devices actually do not see minor disconnects though.
I know someone else who had issue with them and I did a search on them. It was a while ago and for another piece of equipment not a aquarium controller, I am not sure what the issue was. May want to check firmware. I do not want to derail this thread anymore. Feel free to pm me.
No worries about derailing the thread, I like seeing more Hydros talk! I think it's a wonderful controller, it is my favorite out of all the ones I've tried. I had two Digital Aquatics versions, old and new Apex, Profilux P4. Each have their own challenges, I've found the Hydros to be the most intuitive and stable and I like the selection of accessories.
 
Raised the sensor for the Klir, so far no issues.
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I really like the Hydros gear, only complaint is Wi-Fi bar still occasionally loses connection.
Fyi I already tried this, I don't think it helps because the water level only drops a certain amount when the roller turns on. All this will do is raise the water level in the chamber.

In simpler terms when the water reaches the sensor, the water level will drop say 1/2 inch below the sensor, it's not going to drop to the bottom of the sock chamber. So in essence your water level will never be more than 1/2" below the sensor regardless of where you mount it.

When you get it hooked to your hydros you should be able to track it.

Keep us posted on how long the roll lasts.

Do you have a guesstimate on your gph in the sump?
 
Actually Orbi is known to have disconnect issues, I am not sure if they fixed it. Most devices actually do not see minor disconnects though.
I know someone else who had issue with them and I did a search on them. It was a while ago and for another piece of equipment not a aquarium controller, I am not sure what the issue was. May want to check firmware. I do not want to derail this thread anymore. Feel free to pm me.
Yup mine do randomly, always have. I think it's constantly switching stuff around to different satellites. It's really bad after restarting the router.

Overall I haven't been super happy with mine. Been using for about 3 years. Not unhappy, just not overjoyed. They work, but it doesn't seem super consistent.
 

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Fyi I already tried this, I don't think it helps because the water level only drops a certain amount when the roller turns on. All this will do is raise the water level in the chamber.

In simpler terms when the water reaches the sensor, the water level will drop say 1/2 inch below the sensor, it's not going to drop to the bottom of the sock chamber. So in essence your water level will never be more than 1/2" below the sensor regardless of where you mount it.

When you get it hooked to your hydros you should be able to track it.

Keep us posted on how long the roll lasts.

Do you have a guesstimate on your gph in the sump?


Well how much water level drops is again depend on your flow rate but also how much you use the Hydros to advance the fleece. If you only advance the fleece a little it will drop less, the more you advance it the more clean fleece is exposed and it will drop more. Also if your flow rate is at the max or over of what the unit can handle it wont drop much. These is allot that affect the use of fleece. The flow rate, the amount of fish, the amount you feed, do you shut of main pumps when you feed etc.
 
Well how much water level drops is again depend on your flow rate but also how much you use the Hydros to advance the fleece. If you only advance the fleece a little it will drop less, the more you advance it the more clean fleece is exposed and it will drop more. Also if your flow rate is at the max or over of what the unit can handle it wont drop much. These is allot that affect the use of fleece. The flow rate, the amount of fish, the amount you feed, do you shut of main pumps when you feed etc.
True, with hydros you could control this, but with the factory controller it only advances the fleece until the sensor doesn't see water anymore.

I don't think I am anywhere near the max flow rate, I think I am at about 350-400 gph. That's why I was curious where Pot8o was at. His sump setup is the same as mine.

I am slowly creeping my flow rate down. So far no negatives. I was at 700 gph at one time.
 

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Fyi I already tried this, I don't think it helps because the water level only drops a certain amount when the roller turns on. All this will do is raise the water level in the chamber.

In simpler terms when the water reaches the sensor, the water level will drop say 1/2 inch below the sensor, it's not going to drop to the bottom of the sock chamber. So in essence your water level will never be more than 1/2" below the sensor regardless of where you mount it.

When you get it hooked to your hydros you should be able to track it.

Keep us posted on how long the roll lasts.

Do you have a guesstimate on your gph in the sump?
There's about 3/4" water left in the chamber after the roll advances, it appears to be the same height after the roll advances with the higher or lower sensor. No idea if it will change the fleece usage. It's not using a lot to start with, I'm still on the first roll and guess that I've used 1/4 of it.

Return pump is a Jebao 3500 connected to the stock Waterbox plumbing, no manifold. I'm running it at a setting of 40, says 12W. I'm guessing around the same flow as you, 300-400 gph.
 
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