QT without pre cycled bio

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Ladyyofthaseaa

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So I set up a tank, with most necessities needed.
heater
2 Thermometers
Plastic pvc pipe
Air stone
Bio sponge filter that is also like the air stone.
HOB filter
Ammonia badge.
But I do not have a precycled bag of bio or like a bio block. In my case would it be large like 80% water changes that need to be done or 100% every 2-3 days? Right now I’m just observing. Haven’t added any chemicals. I’m actually in the process of setting up another small tank for my inverts to hold for a few months… Am I in the wrong? I actually removed the power head it was too strong and added the sponge and the HOB filter. I’ll re take a pick when I get home. I’m also moving the inverts out today do to reading info on quarantine for inverts.
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If possible I would do the inverts separate that way you can just TTM the fish but then that means 2 more tanks instead of just 1. As long as you monitor water quality and don't trust the ammonia alert badge with your fishes lives you are fine with no biological filtration. I almost never use any filtration in my qt tanks which does include longer term observation. I rely on big water changes. Also don't over feed and siphon out uneaten food / waste.

It looks like there are just a couple of fish in here, but don't under estimate how much snails poop (or need to be fed in a bare tank).
 

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It would depend on how many fish and how much water and how much food.

At the start I am feeding more both types of food and throughout the day. Once the fish are eating and put on a little weight I may start feeding less. So a bigger fish or newer fish it would be every other day, but a smaller fish that is only fed a couple of times a day with no rotting food I can go 3 or 4 days. It's very much by feel but I check on them several times a day and always have mixed saltwater ready.
 

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When did Biospira fall out of favor? Granted it’s been a few years for me, but I always had good luck with it. I remember on R2R we used to recommend it often. Did they change something and now it’s just not as reliable?
The problem with Biospira (and other bacteria in a bottle products) is storage. Especially in the summer months when it just sits in a hot Amazon warehouse. Supposedly Fritz Turbostart is shipped directly to LFS and other vendors using icepacks.
 

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Apparently, seachem prime appears to be a big bottle of placebo when talking about ammonia. This product should do a much better job.
1. It's a permanent reaction, and doesn't "wear off" after 24-48hrs.
2. The manufacturer is very open about the chemistry Involved.
I will be switching to cloram-x in Leui of prime. I do not like using mystery chemicals, regdless of efficacy.
 

Humblefish

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I will be switching to cloram-x in Leui of prime. I do not like using mystery chemicals, regdless of efficacy.
Document how it interacts with copper, chloroquine, etc.

I believe @Reef Nutrition is a subsidiary of Reed Mariculture so perhaps Chad can provide more insight into this product.
 

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I received a yellow tang and blue mandarin pair from Biota this morning. They are in a QT now, but I’d appreciate an expert opinion on their health appearance. I’m a little jumpy about how the fish look, so I think it’s better safe than sorry. Below is a photo of the yellow tang in the QT. He’s been in there about an hour. QT parameters are salinity 1.023, temp 77.5, Ammonia 0, Nitrates 0, Phosphates 0.23, Ph 8.5. I used bioballs from my sump, 1.5 gallons water from sump with copepods, and 6 gallons fresh saltwater. The tang and mandarins were temp acclimated, but Biota says they do not recommend drip acclimation. Just add them after temp acclimation. So that’s how I did it despite my preference for drip acclimation. The mandarins are pretty much sitting at the bottom of the tank, and I expect they’re simply adjusting. The yellow tang has been swimming back and forth by the side of the tank. My concern is a reddish spot above and below his eye on his right side, and his breathing seems a bit quick at about 110 to 120 a minute. Ammonia poisoning from shipping? Not sure if that is partly his young age mixed with acclimating to the water, or if it’s an issue I should be concerned about. Attached is a photo, and I’m considering a Methylene Blue dip, but would appreciate advice from others (@Humblefish @Dierks @Jessican) before going this route. Maybe I should just give him a bit more time first? Or dip and get him back in there?

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Dierks

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Take a look here: Seems they are coming out of BIOTA that way right now...
 

Dierks

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Also I would give him a day to settle in a bit before being to concerned with breathing. Pretty common for fish out of the bag a bit huffy and puffy. Keep your eyes on it and if it continues getting your hands on some Methylene Blue might be a god idea just to help him along.
 

Monica

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Also I would give him a day to settle in a bit before being to concerned with breathing. Pretty common for fish out of the bag a bit huffy and puffy. Keep your eyes on it and if it continues getting your hands on some Methylene Blue might be a god idea just to help him along.
Thank you for your feedback! The reddish areas are already looking a bit better than before actually. Not gone, but a bit more faded. The mandarin pair have gone into the pvc elbows, so I’ll need to check on them another way. Have pods from my sump in the QT, but will also add some of the food Biota had been feeding them. Put some seaweed pellets in for the tang, but will end up getting most of them out since I clearly fed too soon! Just saw the tang picking at the bottom of the QT, so I added the seaweed pellets. Anyhoo..I’m hopeful they’ll all survive QT!
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