White Splotches on Gem Tang

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MrLargo

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I need help in diagnosing the white splotches on my Gem Tang.

He is currently a week into QT with copper power at 2.5. He eats and acts fine, and the splotches are not getting better or worse.

He had these at the LFS when I got him, I thought they were stress marks, but he actually makes other ones when stressed. He has these on his fins, too. Overall, he is not dark and contrasty like a Gem Tang should be. He is eating nori, pellets and frozen mysis, selcon fortified.

Sorry for the fuzzy pics, he is a reluctant subject when I get close. Let me know any other questions to consider this. Thanks!
 

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I agree with @John Reefer Vermont here. Check out the antibiotics thread and it can get you pointed in the right direction. Looks like you have caught it early if it is 👍 How long had he been at the LFS? Would be weird to have a bacterial issue just kind of hover, but it certainly could happen. I think I would watch it for the remainder of the week and make sure it's not getting worse while you finish up copper. Then once in clean water re-evaluate and see if you need to do an antibiotic.

 
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Thinking this through the other thing I can think of that could cause these random blotches might be fluke bites. Have you done a FW dip or any Prazi yet? Usually, on a black fish you can see them, but being its a gem they easily get lost.
 

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Thanks, all!

He came to the LFS like this, and was there a week before I bought him.

I did a FW dip, and then a MB, Nitro/sulfaplex 30 min bath. FW dip was only 3 mins, as he was not doing well with it, layed on the bottom not moving and slow breathing. I haven't treated for prazi yet, as I wanted him to settle in and make sure he was eating well.

Are you saying I should start prazi now and/or a antibiotic? I have MB, metro, nitro, kanaplex and sulfaplex at the ready...!
 

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Update: things are getting worse-Help!

The faint white splotches are still present, 5 days post prazi treatment.

However, please take a look at his open wound at the start of his anal fin. There is a fin bone sticking out and a fleshy chunk missing.

He is eating everything like a champ and otherwise acting normal.

Any quick suggestions are appreciated!!
 

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I am very sorry but I cant explain what we are seeing here. NFG, or anything mixed with Methylene Blue would be my suggestion. It almost looks like he has a spine stuck in him. That needs to be removed if its a bone. @Humblefish any thoughts here...

I am sorry I am little help here.
 

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Thanks for checking him out!

A week ago he had a small white mark on the edge of his anal fin, that has eroded to this. It appears to be some form of rot, as it is slowing receding and that spike appears to be a remain of his fin. Does that help or change anything?
 

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Do you have access to Methylene Blue? I would combine that with NeoPlex if you have the ability. NFG Powder would be my first choice in this scenario.... Again I am hopeful that HF will chime in as well. That is shocking if that is part of his anal fin as it seems pretty far up, but now that you say it certainly looks like that it is.

If you can do the Triple threat you could do that but I know Furan 2 is hard to get now...

Trifecta Dosing Schedule:

Day 1 metro + kana, furan 2 or Spectrogram
Day 2 furan 2
Day 3 25% water change THEN combo
Day 4 furan 2
Day 5 25% water change THEN combo
Day 6 furan 2
Day 7 25% water change THEN combo
Day 8 furan 2
Day 9 25% water change THEN combo
Day 10 furan 2
Day 11 25% (or more) water change

If you need to go 14 days
Day 11 25% water change THEN combo
Day 12 furan 2
Day 13 25% water change THEN combo
Day 14 furan 2
Day 15 25% (or more) water change
Day 14 furan-2
Day 15 25% (or more) water change
 

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Thanks, guys!

Considering the following:
Gem tang is currently in QT under 2.5 CP with 3 other tank mates
I currently have on hand the following medications: MB, Nitrofurazone, Kanaplex, Sulfaplex, Metro, & Focus (LFS should have NeoPlex)

A few questions about your treatment recommendations:
-Do I treat this entire QT tank, as mentioned, and continue the copper course?
-@Dierks mentions, MB with NeoPlex, but then different medicine in the dosing schedule, confused about which course to run?
-Is Furan-2 interchangeable with Nitrofurazone?
-Can I dose all of this with my current bioload running in QT?
-Any other method I should do, for the off chance it's intestinal worms or parasites, as HF mentions?

I feel like we have a fighting chance if we get it right quickly, since he seems to be otherwise acting fine, for now...!🤞🏻

Thanks, again!
 

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I will say this until @Humblefish gets back -- I would get started with MB in-Tank try try and start to heal. Also will make sure there no fungus (Rare) Then I would add any of your Kanaplex and Nitrofurazone.

This should take care of any bacterial issues. Again I am hopeful for your fish as well. Really clean environment, like changing tanks every/every other day and he has a fighting chance.

Feeding these foods might be a good idea as well.
 

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Thank you guys! I have the QT tank treated with MB, Nitro, Kana, and Metro. Silly question, how in the world am I supposed to be seeing any improvement, or anything really with a solid blue tank!? Are the water change recommendations to replenish the decaying water, since the bioload is going to be gone?
 

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how in the world am I supposed to be seeing any improvement, or anything really with a solid blue tank!? Are the water change recommendations to replenish the decaying water, since the bioload is going to be gone?
You won't really know until after all the MB is out of the water. (Carbon will quickly clear the water if you want to get a good look at the fish in-between treatments.)
 

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Thank you guys! I have the QT tank treated with MB, Nitro, Kana, and Metro. Silly question, how in the world am I supposed to be seeing any improvement, or anything really with a solid blue tank!? Are the water change recommendations to replenish the decaying water, since the bioload is going to be gone?
How is he doing?!
 

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So far, so good! He’s still swimming and eating fine, however. I just can’t can’t see any details through the cool-aid water…😅

How long should I keep up the MB and should I redose it after water changes, like I am the antibiotics?

BTW, this combo quickly nuked my bio filter. 🤦🏼‍♂️
 
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